Any MFer's out there?

featherboy wrote:Keep the quantize on your MPC really tight.

Actually if you're aiming for that Doom feel don't use timing correct at all. I remember reading in some old interview that sometimes he programs his drums to be totally off beat on purpose...

Cheech, what I was thinking of were the drum machine patterns of old rap records....like that fuzzy 808 on T La Rock "It's Yours" or the Oberheim DMX (or whatever it is ) on Run DMC "Sucker MCs"

I was referring more to Doom's own drum programming, as it is usually very sparse.

If you sample someone's record that they used samples on, it might be kinda cheesy but who really gives a fugg? Do what makes you happy. The rule is never sample someone else's loop. If you take a kick or a snare who is gonna say "hey that's that doom snare...". The best way to get the sound you're going for is to sample the types of records he samples. Some of his kicks and snares, come from a hot source I know about, they're called RECORDS. I'm not gonna give up the records I know that he used... find them for yourself like I did.

Toecutter wrote:If you sample someone's record that they used samples on, it might be kinda cheesy but who really gives a fugg? Do what makes you happy. The rule is never sample someone else's loop. If you take a kick or a snare who is gonna say "hey that's that doom snare...". The best way to get the sound you're going for is to sample the types of records he samples. Some of his kicks and snares, come from a hot source I know about, they're called RECORDS. I'm not gonna give up the records I know that he used... find them for yourself like I did.

Doom is gona say "hey that's my snare"

He's a big cat too, I'd hate to be on the wrong side of that metal face....

I've took a Kanye clap, a Dre snare, a Ghostface kick and the beats I ended up making with them sounds dont sound nothing like them cats so if your naturally creative and not a biter you can find a way to tweak some ish without straight up copying, like layering them with other sounds or editing them ya dig......... p.s in the end no one bumping your musik will give a flying fuk where you got your damn snare at, is the track beatin' or not??? thats all that matters

Skiggy wrote:I've took a Kanye clap, a Dre snare, a Ghostface kick and the beats I ended up making with them sounds dont sound nothing like them cats so if your naturally creative and not a biter you can find a way to tweak some ish without straight up copying, like layering them with other sounds or editing them ya dig......... p.s in the end no one bumping your musik will give a flying fuk where you got your damn snare at, is the track beatin' or not??? thats all that matters

I give a fck where I get my snares etc.

I don't understand the logic behind "don't sample a sample" WTF! You have a sampler for a reason and if you catch something out there naked you gotta get it, case closed just chop that ish up. Especially drum sounds, If the roles were reversed and he was an aspiring producer and you had some hott ish he could get do you really think he would be like naw, this cat is cool F#ck Dat! Do you, like Ripper stated you paid for your own equipment, or if you did'nt it is still yours however you got it. So use it how you please.

Peace,
D. James

It's called biting.

You have a pen for writing lyrics also, but that doesn't mean you should steal someone else's punchlines

^^^^

D James, how old are you?

Dos wrote:D James, how old are you?

I'm old enough to know that most of the Hip Hop music you listen to if not all of it is sampled. Either the kicks snares melodies whatever. For you cats to compare lyrics with sampling is absurd. Think about it for a second, if it were'nt for sampling Hip Hop would not even be around. Do you really think cats like the Sugar Hill Gang and Furious Five used original music.... the answer is He!! No! For you to question my age makes me question your whole mindstate. I don't care who your favorite artist is nor do I give a fuc about what you think is distatsteful. Sampling is an artform just like writing and music as a whole for that matter. So if that is "biting" I don't expect to ever hear a sample being used by any of you cats. BTW whoever said that you should atleast get your drums from a sample disk is also very misguided.....Where do you think those sounds come from.....Hmmmm maybe another sample. Please think things through before you post some BS.

I remember a guy posting that he made his first hip hop beat and how easy it was. He sampled a drum loop from a hip hop record, a bassline from another record, and a melody from another record, and he called it his track.

Making hip hop from samples is fresh because you bring something from elsewhere into the music and contribute to the growth. Sampling sounds from hip hop to make hip hop is incestuous and brings nothing to the music but some weird consistency. It is worse than doing a puffy. Imagine getting big by taking the sounds from Lil jon, kanye, and dre and becoming big on the fruits of their digging? It will be the same sounds slightly modified. It's like something I read in an interview with Pete Rock I think, where everyone was worried about what to sample when they ran out of James Brown breaks.

It's lazy and worse than formulaic, it is biting. Do your own digging, find your own sounds. Using already released hip hop sounds to make hip hop does a disservice to the community.

No biting was a cardinal rule of hip hop. Now people don't really care since hip hop went corporate and corporations have biting down to a science. It changes it from a competition among artists to an anything to get paid winner take all situation.

I can see where people might think this is a double standard, where you can sample from other genres but not hip hop, but it isn't like that. You can sample from hip hop, vocals and such are often flipped, you can flip some other stuff too, but taking a great drum sound is weak, you should find or make your own drum sound that is just as good to raise the level and variety in hip hop. This attack of the clones stuff has gotta go.