Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
By obdrummer Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:15 am
Hey guys first post! but anyways, I've been wanting to get an mpc for awhile now and ive found a few 2000xls for a good price..so my question is what are the pros and cons of the different storage methods like hard drive vs cf reader? I have been drifting toward the hard drive but want to know for sure what ones more efficient
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By Danoc Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:14 am
Peace

I have the MPC2000XL, and 3 components that are external that I have connected to the MPC.

1.CDROM player, My MPC can read sounds from compatible CDs that I put in the CDROM player and that's by Glyph.
2.Zip drive external, I have that connected also so I can transfer data back and forth from the computer to the MPC easy.
3.Hard drive, external hard drive where I save all my songs to. I believe it's 80gigs something like that, I bought it off Ebay long ago. I partitionsed it from A to Z , A is where all the sounds are. B haven't used, F if where all my tracks go and E is back up. B to Z has nothing so that's how huge that hard drive is, it's going to take years for me to fill up that thing if I do fill it up at all.

I love this because I have all three in a chain and connected to the MPC so it's all good. The SCSI is different from the one on the MPC2000. Faster transfer rate. The advantage of the external hard drive is you don't have to use any card you can save directly into it. I use the zip to transfer sounds back and forth to the computer easily, and I have a zip connected to the USB port on my computer.

CF I really don't like it when it comes to my music because the card is small and flimsy, I like the tuffness of the Zip, though it's bulky It's stern. Sometimes those CF cards reformat and can erase data etc. I don't like them because I don't wanna play around when it comes to music.

At the end of the day you will ultimately decide what you're going to do.


Peace
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By peterpiper Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:55 am
HD? No, thanks. Too noisy and when it gets damaged all the gigs are gone
Zip? No thanks. One word: Click of death. Unstable storage IMO
Cardreader? Hmm...ok that seems good but I dont like small things as storage medium.

MO Disk? Yes thats the storage I use. AFAIK the savest storage medium. I use 128 and 230 MB disks so If a disk gets damaged only 128 or 230 MB are gone (well, I make backups of every disk so nothing will get lost :)). It's a bit noisy when a disk is inserted (IMO not as noisy as a HD) but if you dont load or save you can eject the disk and the device is completely quiet. perfect.

peace
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By nogginj Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:36 pm
CF I really don't like it when it comes to my music because the card is small and flimsy, I like the tuffness of the Zip, though it's bulky It's stern. Sometimes those CF cards reformat and can erase data etc. I don't like them because I don't wanna play around when it comes to music.

i respectfully disagree with everything said here.

durability: you can run over a cf card with a truck and it will still work. a zip would shatter.
random reformat: i've never experienced that nor heard of it. cards dont 'reformat' themselves.

fact: your zips will fail much sooner than a cf card. just look around this forum at how many people have lost all their work from zips failing. search "click of death".

fact: zips are hollow, thin plastic with moving parts. that means it will eventually wear out. cards have no moving parts, so they are silent and durable.

fact: zips are older and not used anymore, except by old technology. cards are a moderb medium and used in many modern devices. you can go to walmart and by a memory card, i dont know if you can buy a zip.

in my opinion, zips are the absolute worst option, and like peter said, hard drives are noisy, prone to fail, etc etc.

this question gets asked almost every other day. browse this forums a bit and you'll see.
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By jonestown massacre Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:40 pm
Best option for any hard drive or memory storage is Solid state. Compact flash cards are solid state drives. Ive left my most important 16 GB compact flash card in my pants and ran them shits through the washing machine.. Dried the card out and it still works to this day.

Straight up, floppies get disk read errors all the time, Zip disks get the click of death, most scsi HD's have noisy fans.....IMO CF card is the ONLY smart storage method, and I think the scsicardreaders dude has 32GB CF's coming soon.


And the dude who saids zips are better is high. Wait til your zips start shitting out on you. Ive had 0 problems with cf cards for over 5 years on my XL, with 2 different card readers and multitudes of cf cards of various storage sizes. Prior to that, I lost all my sequence (.all) data from a full album on floppies.....Zips are just really big floppy disks.
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By peterpiper Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:18 pm
I just want to add that I have some 12y old MO Disks that still work perfect.
Ok to be honest: You can't buy MO Disks at walmart these days, and you'll have to search to find unused ones. I was lucky to find 20 pieces unused (128 and 230 MB) on ebay for .....if I remember right it was something like 30 Euro.

peace
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By mr_debauch Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:35 pm
wikipedia wrote:Iomega has been widely criticized for customer service issues dating back to 1998, when Wired covered the company's $100 million "advertising blitz" at a time of plummeting stocks and two class-action lawsuits brought to the company by frustrated customers.[5] Warned that increased customer demand would overload Iomega's small in-house resources, the company quadrupled the number of customer support representatives in a thirty-day push to meet demand for its popular products. Fee-based technical support (which continues still today) for questions already found in product documentation was seen as the only feasible option in controlling spiralling support costs. Customers were not charged for support incidents in which Iomega was responsible (e.g., defective products). Nonetheless, some customers took exception.

In one lawsuit customers complained that Iomega's warranty promised free technical support, but once customers called, they were told they would be charged. In a second suit the company was charged with not delivering on cash rebates promised on Zip and Jaz drives sold under promotion.[5]

Iomega's faulty zip and jaz drives became known for an anomaly known as "the click of death", where — after a time — zip and jaz drives would no longer be able to read disks and would instead produce a loud clicking sound. Many users reported damaged disks and data loss.[6]

Despite the impact on the company's stock price, and negative media coverage about the company's legal, business, and customer service issues, its sales continued to grow.[5]
By obdrummer Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:57 pm
Wow thanks guys this pretty much answered all my questions about that. i think ill go with a cf card reader. now i just gotta decide between a 2000xl with a SD reader in it for 350$, a 2000xl LE (the one pete rock uses in that love is a battlefield video)for 400$, or a 2500 for 500$
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By mumkai Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:50 pm
mr_debauch wrote:
wikipedia wrote:Iomega has been widely criticized for customer service issues dating back to 1998, when Wired covered the company's $100 million "advertising blitz" at a time of plummeting stocks and two class-action lawsuits brought to the company by frustrated customers.[5] Warned that increased customer demand would overload Iomega's small in-house resources, the company quadrupled the number of customer support representatives in a thirty-day push to meet demand for its popular products. Fee-based technical support (which continues still today) for questions already found in product documentation was seen as the only feasible option in controlling spiralling support costs. Customers were not charged for support incidents in which Iomega was responsible (e.g., defective products). Nonetheless, some customers took exception.

In one lawsuit customers complained that Iomega's warranty promised free technical support, but once customers called, they were told they would be charged. In a second suit the company was charged with not delivering on cash rebates promised on Zip and Jaz drives sold under promotion.[5]

Iomega's faulty zip and jaz drives became known for an anomaly known as "the click of death", where — after a time — zip and jaz drives would no longer be able to read disks and would instead produce a loud clicking sound. Many users reported damaged disks and data loss.[6]

Despite the impact on the company's stock price, and negative media coverage about the company's legal, business, and customer service issues, its sales continued to grow.[5]


^^++ :lol: :lol: :lol:

couldnt have quoted better.

CF is the way to go.
DONT GO with ZIP!
you will regret it.

IMO I recommend looking for an MPC2000xl SE (probably newer pads, sturdier buttons, better screen i.e. no lines) or go with the 2500!

good luck!
By scsicardreaders.com Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:51 pm
peterpiper wrote:I just want to add that I have some 12y old MO Disks that still work perfect.
Ok to be honest: You can't buy MO Disks at walmart these days, and you'll have to search to find unused ones. I was lucky to find 20 pieces unused (128 and 230 MB) on ebay for .....if I remember right it was something like 30 Euro.

peace


Peter, just tell me that you have two of those MO drives and you keep one on the shelf as a backup. Because as good as they are, the drive is a mechanical device and, like all mechanical devices, the drive will fail. And with those drives being pretty old and not made for a long time, when the drive does fail, you could find yourself in a real jam unless you have a spare ready to go. :(
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By peterpiper Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:57 am
Well This is the one I use ATM

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I got the exact same one build in my PC (in case I want to transfer samples but I really dont use it :))

And these are the ones that hopefully dont come to operation too soon.

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Oh and I just bought 24 floppy disk drives yesterday for 6 EUR. Nice modable series. Just in case the 950 or FZ1 floppy drives want to go to sleep :)

But I understand what you're sayin. Every mechanically stroage system can/will fail at some point. But I think this POF (point of fail ;)) is not too soon with MO Drives. Just like the POF is not so soon with a Technics SL-1210 MK2. Quality build machines.
Also AFAIK the MO Disk was made as backup storage for important data. So i think the engineers build this devices to work safe after years.
peace
By obdrummer Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:36 am
mr_debauch wrote:if that 2500 is not broken grab that one... as a matter of fact grab all three.



yeah there all on craigslist gotta see if they will ship though, not sure if the 2500 works the price is crazy on that one but those 2000xls look tempting!
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By Danoc Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:46 am
nogginj wrote:
CF I really don't like it when it comes to my music because the card is small and flimsy, I like the tuffness of the Zip, though it's bulky It's stern. Sometimes those CF cards reformat and can erase data etc. I don't like them because I don't wanna play around when it comes to music.

i respectfully disagree with everything said here.

durability: you can run over a cf card with a truck and it will still work. a zip would shatter.
random reformat: i've never experienced that nor heard of it. cards dont 'reformat' themselves.

fact: your zips will fail much sooner than a cf card. just look around this forum at how many people have lost all their work from zips failing. search "click of death".

fact: zips are hollow, thin plastic with moving parts. that means it will eventually wear out. cards have no moving parts, so they are silent and durable.

fact: zips are older and not used anymore, except by old technology. cards are a moderb medium and used in many modern devices. you can go to walmart and by a memory card, i dont know if you can buy a zip.

in my opinion, zips are the absolute worst option, and like peter said, hard drives are noisy, prone to fail, etc etc.

this question gets asked almost every other day. browse this forums a bit and you'll see.




I disagree with what you said. I have had my zips for years! I just got a CF not to long ago and it bummed out on me. Plus I don't use Zips all the time, I am mostly in the box. Yesh the HD may be Noisy but it’s not like I need to mix when it’s on. I turn it off, plus I make back ups. Lose data? Hmmmm unless it’s magnetically erased if the hd burns out that doesn’t mean the data is gone. For me I am good and again I said FOR ME! I’m not going to walmart with my zips they are for music production only. My zips have not worn out and are still good! I can go on but no need to. by you saying fact this and fact that, well with my experince it's not a fact!
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By Danoc Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:56 am
jonestown massacre wrote:Best option for any hard drive or memory storage is Solid state. Compact flash cards are solid state drives. Ive left my most important 16 GB compact flash card in my pants and ran them **** through the washing machine.. Dried the card out and it still works to this day.

Straight up, floppies get disk read errors all the time, Zip disks get the click of death, most scsi HD's have noisy fans.....IMO CF card is the ONLY smart storage method, and I think the scsicardreaders dude has 32GB CF's coming soon.


And the dude who saids zips are better is high. Wait til your zips start **** out on you. Ive had 0 problems with cf cards for over 5 years on my XL, with 2 different card readers and multitudes of cf cards of various storage sizes. Prior to that, I lost all my sequence (.all) data from a full album on floppies.....Zips are just really big floppy disks.


Did you ever think to BACK YOUR ISH UP? !!! SMH