Are the kangs and roger stalling the market?

Its funny how people complain about Maschine not being 100% hardware, at the same time they are using theyre MPC with the computer always on, tracking everything eventually down to DAW, and being on the internet complaining about beat machines not being stand alone.

Sovereign wrote:Will someone PLEASE tell the Maschine poster child that as long as you have to use it in conjunction with a computer it will never appeal to those who like standalone hardware.

Speak for yourself. I'm one of many who have used the MPC and moved on to Maschine because it's a worthy successor that's just as capable yet does more.

Sovereign wrote:He's trying to sell it as a MPC replacement or killer but that's only a viable point for people who is using or have a desire to use a computer.

You'd be surprised how many MPC users also use computers as part of their production and how they would benefit from switching to Maschine.

The point I've been making is that up until now, the main advantage of standalone hardware was not so much that they're self-contained units but that the way the dedicated hardware and the software designed for it combined to form the most efficient workflows and tactile, instrument-like feel it gives you. No computer software + midi controller have ever been able to come close to that kind of workflow and immediacy. Until Maschine, that is. That is why it's a game changer.

Oh, and I don't turn off my laptop's display. I personally like having the option to look at it for certain things although most of the time I prefer to just look at the controller. It's just nice to have the option and flexibility.

mr emptymc please post up some of you recordings so we can learn from you examples as talk is cheep at this point.some thing i learned in india is the hindus dont try to convince you of the superiority of there beliefs.

emptysea wrote:

Sovereign wrote:

What seems to be your confusion? Maschine has a hardware-like workflow that was previously only possible on standalone hardware. You can pretty much do everything on Maschine's hardware controller because of the two LCD screens. You don't need to look at the computer screen at all. You can turn it off or even close the laptop lid and only look at the hardware.

Just because the software resides in a computer does not mean that it will be like using a computer like having to use a mouse and keyboard.

Okay for real, unless you have your maschine unit on an angle somehow, having to crank my neck to try and look down on those little screens is a pain-literally, so let's be honest...without the gui, maschine would be quite inefficient. I own it, and I know-end of story.

Sovereign wrote:

emptysea wrote:

Sovereign wrote:

What seems to be your confusion? Maschine has a hardware-like workflow that was previously only possible on standalone hardware. You can pretty much do everything on Maschine's hardware controller because of the two LCD screens. You don't need to look at the computer screen at all. You can turn it off or even close the laptop lid and only look at the hardware.

Just because the software resides in a computer does not mean that it will be like using a computer like having to use a mouse and keyboard.

Let's see.

-It requires that you have a computer
-It requires that you have the computer turned on
-it requires the software to work
-It is only manipulating the propeties of said software
Just those facts alone means it's it's lost the real advantage of standalone hardware...........the ability to standalone.
What you have is called controller, computer and software alone.

No confusion at all.

Well said.

jpeg wrote:as mentioned u can turn the pc monitor off and work off the mashine in the same way u work on an mp the pc/laptop is just a method of drawing power in that respect in addition to providing a source of sounds.

so the feel/workflow of working with hardware is obtained if the laptop lid or monitor is off.


so yeah its nonsense to assume the mpc workflow is not achievable with the maschine

BULLSH*T straight up. I'd LOVE to hear what you can accomplish in maschine without the gui (monitor turned off) to help you. Let's see some grid-editing for starters...Again, I own maschine and I'm not knocking it's ability. As a controller, it's a nice little addition to my setup, but it sure as hell ain't no MPC.

emptysea wrote:

Sovereign wrote:Will someone PLEASE tell the Maschine poster child that as long as you have to use it in conjunction with a computer it will never appeal to those who like standalone hardware.

Speak for yourself. I'm one of many who have used the MPC and moved on to Maschine because it's a worthy successor that's just as capable yet does more.

Sovereign wrote:He's trying to sell it as a MPC replacement or killer but that's only a viable point for people who is using or have a desire to use a computer.

You'd be surprised how many MPC users also use computers as part of their production and how they would benefit from switching to Maschine.

The point I've been making is that up until now, the main advantage of standalone hardware was not so much that they're self-contained units but that the way the dedicated hardware and the software designed for it combined to form the most efficient workflows and tactile, instrument-like feel it gives you. No computer software + midi controller have ever been able to come close to that kind of workflow and immediacy. Until Maschine, that is. That is why it's a game changer.

Oh, and I don't turn off my laptop's display. I personally like having the option to look at it for certain things although most of the time I prefer to just look at the controller. It's just nice to have the option and flexibility.

Game changer? Not quite kiddo.

peeps saying without the software interface the maschine controller would be no good but is the mpc 200xl screen better then the maschine? i think not

i dont even use all the grid editing on my 1k so i dont care if the machine cant display that as long as i can chop, assign and browse sound add fx and tap out beats the rest is not needed.

Ill-Green wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:but if you are starting from scratch, the maschine does cost less than say an mpc4000... the price of the maschine is MORE THAN the price of a mpc500 BRAND NEW,

FIXED

and you run into mpc4000's for around that price... keep in mind that up here maschine costs over $700 brand new. Mint condition 2000XL's go for that price with upgrades... where as people on CL try and get rid of their 500's for 300 bucks.

Fess wrote:BULLSH*T straight up. I'd LOVE to hear what you can accomplish in maschine without the gui (monitor turned off) to help you. Let's see some grid-editing for starters...

What exactly do you mean by "grid-editing"? You really can do pretty much everything only looking at the controller. You should check out the 1.5 public beta since that brings more editing options to the table, all done on the controller.
Check out this first hand account video reviews that mentions Maschine's ability to work only by looking at the controller:
http://soundsandgear.com/native-instrum ... this-year/
http://soundsandgear.com/native-instrum ... -the-year/

Fess wrote:As a controller, it's a nice little addition to my setup, but it sure as hell ain't no MPC.

Maybe to you, but for many of us, Maschine just outright replaces the MPC and goes beyond it.

Funny how a thread about the kangz and linn stalling the market for a new mpc turned out in a machsine flame war.

Hi i bought a NI MACHINE today and put money in a fat german fatcats pocket.

Then i realised jesus wept .......i was at home and tried to make BEATZ wen the cat came in a said TOSSER

YOU HAVNT GOT A COMPUTA.......angryness i booted the cat across the room and it was like **** tremoring.

anyway if i didnt get the MACHINE..........my cat wud still be alive

iam not really bout dissin & clownin people........BUT
Emptysea UR A FASSI BWOI........
come around here with ur senseless, simpleton ramble bout how the Mashine is the death of thee MPC
just put that RED NOSE back on go get a circus job

I've been using Maschine recently and love the workflow, but hate the soft sound it gives my drums.

Everything sounds spungy and lacks the punch and edge of an MPC, hell even Guru bangs harder for drums.

I'm inclined to think it maybe the internal mixer or something, the sounds have no attack, just lows highs and no mids imho.


P.S.

It would be nice if someone created a virtual MPC vst plugin that dumps the sounds, programs and sequencer settings from the MPC hardware into a Guru type plugin for further internal editing efx etc.

Retrofreak wrote:I've been using Maschine recently and love the workflow, but hate the soft sound it gives my drums.

Everything sounds spungy and lacks the punch and edge of an MPC, hell even Guru bangs harder for drums.

I'm inclined to think it maybe the internal mixer or something, the sounds have no attack, just lows highs and no mids imho.

I can't hear a difference between Maschine and Guru when playing single drum sounds. Do you mean you can hear a difference when playing several sounds at the same time? What if you would bypass Maschine's mixer and assign each drum sound to its own output?