VST vs Motif

Hello,

i am in the process of getting a motif keyboard to use with my MPC 4000, but now i am in a debate between the motif and VST. I was at a friends studio and he was showing me VST synth I was liking the way things sounded, plus all you basically needed was a midi contoller!

After he showed me the VST it sort of changed my mind on what to do??

I was wondering would it be a better investment to go with vst for my apple power book and just use a midi controller

or

invest in the motif keyboard.

Plus, can I midi vst to do all my sequencing on the MPC as if it where a regular synth modue connected to them MPC. Then would I be able to record all this into pro tools!

Just want to know what would work better(especially sounds..strings guitars, synths, pianos,etc...I know the motif has great sounds), and be the better investment in the long haul...because I had a triton and sold it months ago..tired of the debate between triton, motif, roland..plus the size of these work stations taking up space and being obsolete sounds wise once the next latest and greatest comes along!!



suggestions please!

Thanks,

head034

PS: my set up: MPC 4000, Roland XP50, DA7 mixing console, apple power book w/ external hard drive, MBOX/protools , midi man

If plus if i incorporate the VST, what hardware would i need??

VST all the way IMO you be a fool not to take advatage of the vast possibilities they offer not to mention that lack of space they take up

Kind of new to this VST/computer thing!

I am mos def leaning hard on the vst!!! Tired of having oversized workstations and a rack full of modules taking up space!!!! Just wondering can I get those sounds that the motif has (strings, guitars, pianos...) the quality of the sounds blew me away!! My friend was showing me this ish..plus doing real time controls with the VST via midi with his Roland XP30. He was using the sliders on the Roland xp30 to tweek the organ sliders on the VST in realtime!!

how does this work in conjuntion with protools?

Am i able to bring the VST sounds up on seperate tracks on a mixing console?

What hardware would I need to get all this workin (protools, VST, MPC 4000)?

Would i be able to sequence my VST sounds on the MPC 4000?

Thanks!!

AWW_NAWW wrote:VST all the way IMO you be a fool not to take advatage of the vast possibilities they offer not to mention that lack of space they take up

kind of jsut a thought on the subject.

If you got a mpc4000, ive read a few post where there is a program, where you can pretty much automatically multisample your vsts, just by exporting. That would be nice, cause then you could export your patches and load them into the mpc. It seems alot easier then sampling a hardware synth. SO eventually you would become less reliant on even your vsts........and miding them up.

Here's a hint. Do yourself a favor and head down to guitarcenter sam ash and try out the Roland Juno-D. Blows every workstation out the water in terms of sounds. Other than that, the Motif is fine. But you can also check for a guy on ebay named flossmodeceo that sells every motif patch they have in there including the arpeggios and even has the patch names for them. He also sells triton and roland patches, and I hear the quality is top notch. Might just want to give that a try instead of dropping thousands of dollars. Remember, you do have an MPC 4000 which is a synth in itself.

but that shyt will take up hella space on your mpc memory. I have a three differnt multi-sampled pianos and if I load them all up at once I have barly enough space to load a complete drum set

The flossmodeceo guy stuff looks very interesting...but how would this work in conjunction with my mpc 4000 and powerbook laptop...Are these CDs of sounds used by loading them in the MPC 4000....or do you use by usuing Logic on a laptop to control the VSTs?

Everyone has told me to get rid of protools and switch to logic if I would like to get into using VST/VSTi synths with my MPC 4000? Is this true?

Plus what hardware would i need, motu, or can i still use the Mbox(i heard it kind of sucks when you start diggin deeper into stuff like this)? also can I use the edirol pcr-m50 to control the VST with the mpc sequencer?

The bad thing is that this one software (protools) seems to be the industry standard..But, while i was in Europe, I seen alot of people using LOGIC.
It seems that Protools is a US standard, and Logic is A europe standard(could be wrong, still trying to get deeper into all this!)

Thanks all for the input!!!!

head034

jbplaya wrote:Here's a hint. Do yourself a favor and head down to guitarcenter sam ash and try out the Roland Juno-D. Blows every workstation out the water in terms of sounds. Other than that, the Motif is fine. But you can also check for a guy on ebay named flossmodeceo that sells every motif patch they have in there including the arpeggios and even has the patch names for them. He also sells triton and roland patches, and I hear the quality is top notch. Might just want to give that a try instead of dropping thousands of dollars. Remember, you do have an MPC 4000 which is a synth in itself.

The flossmodeceo guy stuff looks very interesting...but how would this work in conjunction with my mpc 4000 and powerbook laptop...Are these CDs of sounds used by loading them in the MPC 4000....or do you use by usuing Logic on a laptop to control the VSTs?

Everyone has told me to get rid of protools and switch to logic if I would like to get into using VST/VSTi synths with my MPC 4000? Is this true?

Plus what hardware would i need, motu, or can i still use the Mbox(i heard it kind of sucks when you start diggin deeper into stuff like this)? also can I use the edirol pcr-m50 to control the VST with the mpc sequencer?

The bad thing is that this one software (protools) seems to be the industry standard..But, while i was in Europe, I seen alot of people using LOGIC.
It seems that Protools is a US standard, and Logic is A europe standard(could be wrong, still trying to get deeper into all this!)

Thanks all for the input!!!!

head034

jbplaya wrote:Here's a hint. Do yourself a favor and head down to guitarcenter sam ash and try out the Roland Juno-D. Blows every workstation out the water in terms of sounds. Other than that, the Motif is fine. But you can also check for a guy on ebay named flossmodeceo that sells every motif patch they have in there including the arpeggios and even has the patch names for them. He also sells triton and roland patches, and I hear the quality is top notch. Might just want to give that a try instead of dropping thousands of dollars. Remember, you do have an MPC 4000 which is a synth in itself.

Sorry for posting twice Computer was stuck for a minute!

Shyt im using Nuendo right now and I have that juno he is talking about in a vst formate and its nice. as far as hardware interfaces go just get something that is fullduplex and that can handle 24bit resalution along with midi or usb capabilities

AWW_NAWW wrote: I have that juno he is talking about in a vst formate a

wat are you talking about?juno-d in vsti?joking?

what hardware interface (motu, mbox, ...) are you using, and are you able to sequence the VST insturments with the mpc sequencer?

AWW_NAWW wrote:Shyt im using Nuendo right now and I have that juno he is talking about in a vst formate and its nice. as far as hardware interfaces go just get something that is fullduplex and that can handle 24bit resalution along with midi or usb capabilities

I have an old school 20bit layla by echo. I payed $6?? for it back when it first came out but you can find them on ebay for around $200 now maybe less. And yes I can sequence all of my vsts through my mpc as a matter of fact thats basicaly how I get my ideas down.

no offense to any vst people. But if you got an mpc4000, use it to its fullest, **** vsts.............atleast until you give your mpc a try.

I think if you cant decide, try everything out. Whats a multisample cd cost? $99 for one thats got multiple kinds of instruments, pop it into your mpc. How much for a vst? you can find some freeware ones....or find a freind whos got one-granted, it might not compare to the good ones you can buy, but atleast try it to get things working.

Try the shit out, decide after that!

Atleast just try to get a vst working with protools. You might not like protools, or it might not be the best to work with vsts..........but alteast try itout, cause you might end up not even liking vsts to begin with.

I admit. Im not a vst user, nor a heavy computer user (as far as sequencing and synths go) but I still think its appropriate to use your gear to the fullest no matter what you use. If you have protools, and an mpc4000, use it.

peace.

i use both ewql's colossus (vsti) and a motif es rack, but if i were you i'd go vst. you'd have better flexibility, like if you wanted to get new sounds.