Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By Mohammed Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:16 pm
Is it possibile to have different lfo settings per zone in 1 keygroup??

In edit you can select the zone,, but all edits being made there affects every zone, and not just the one youve selected.

Can anyone help me out here?
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By Blue Haze Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:00 pm
Mohammed wrote:Is it possibile to have different lfo settings per zone in 1 keygroup??

In edit you can select the zone,, but all edits being made there affects every zone, and not just the one youve selected.

Can anyone help me out here?


Zone Select :idea: Using zones
In the preceding pages, we created a program by assigning a sample only to zone 1 of a key group/note number.
However, the programs of the MPC4000 actually allow you to use four zones for each key group/note
number.
This section explains how you can assign a sample to zone 2 of each key group/note number, and use velocity
to switch between zones 1 and 2.
1. Record the samples that you want to assign to zone 2. (You can either record new samples into
memory, or load them from a storage device.)
For details on how to record or load samples, refer to chapter 8.
2. In the Key Group Mix page, Pitch page, or Edit 1/2 page, press the [F6] key (ZONE).
The Zone page will appear. In this page you can assign samples to zones 1–4 and edit parameters for each
zone.
Note: In order to use LFO1, you must set the modulation source, modulation destination, and modulation depth
in the Program Modulation popup window. Be aware that simply editing the settings of the LFO1 block parameters
will not produce an effect.
Note: The Depth field of the LFO1 block corresponds to the LFO1 output level, and the Depth field of the Program
Modulation popup window corresponds to the sensitivity of the modulation destination. This means that if the
Depth field is set to zero for either of these, LFO1 will not produce any effect.
Chapter 9—Creating and editing programs
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A Note/Kg field: Selects the key group/note
number that you will edit.
B Edit field: Selects the editing method for the
key group.
C Zone field: Indicates the zone numbers.
D Sample field: Selects the sample that will be
assigned to each zone.
E Level field: Specifies a relative adjustment to the level of each zone.
F Pan field: Specifies a relative adjustment to the pan of each zone when stereo playback is used.
G Out field: Specifies the output destination of each zone. If you select MULTI, the settings of the multi
will be used.
H Range field: Specifies the note range of each zone when you use a specific modulation source to switch
the zone that will sound.
I X-fade curve field: Selects the curve of change that will be used when crossfading between zones is
turned on.
J Zone X-fade field: Specifies whether crossfading between zones will occur when you change zones.
K Tune field: Specifies a relative adjustment to the tuning of each zone.
L Pitch field: Specifies whether the pitch of the sample assigned to each zone will rise or fall according
to the keyboard position (TRACK) or will be the same pitch regardless of the note you play (CONS).
M Play mode field: Selects one of the following playback methods for the sample assigned to each zone.
ONE SHOT: The sample will play from the start point to the end point when you press the key once.
NO LOOP: The sample will play from the start point to the end point without looping. If you release
the pad (key) during this time, the playback will stop at that point.
LOOP: When you press the pad (key), the sample will begin playing from the start point, and will continue
looping as long as you hold down the pad (key). When you release the pad (key), the sample will
play to the end point and then stop.
NOTE OFF: The sample will play in one-shot mode when a note-off message is received.
N Filter field: Specifies a relative adjustment to the filter cutoff of each zone.
O Start field: Specifies a relative adjustment to the start point for the sample of each zone.
3. Move the cursor to the Note/Kg field, and select the key group/note number to which you want
to add a sample.
4. Move the cursor to the Sample field of zone 2, and select a sample.
This will assign a sample to zone 2. The settings of the Key Group Mix, Pitch, and Edit 1/2 pages are common
to all zones, so you do not need to make them again.
5. If necessary, edit the other parameters in the Zone page to make fine adjustments to the level,
pan, and filter offset for each zone.
6. In the same way, assign a new sample to zone 2 of the other key groups/note numbers.
7. When you have finished assigning all the desired samples, move the cursor to the Range field of
zone 1, and set the value to 000–063.
8. Move the cursor to the Range field of zone 2, and set the value to 064–127.
Note: The sample that you select in the Key Group Mix page will always be assigned to zone 1 of the corresponding
key group/pad number. You must use this field to assign samples to zones 2–4.
Note: Remember that the values of the fields in the Zone page (except for Output, Range, Pitch, Play mode) are
relative adjustments. The values common to the entire key group/pad number can be edited in the Key Group
Mix, Pitch, and Edit 1/2 pages.
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9. Leave the cursor at the Range field, and press the [WINDOW] key.
The Program Modulation popup window will appear.
10. Move the cursor to an empty Source field, and select VELOCITY as the modulation source.
11. Move the cursor to the Destination field at the right, and select ZONE SELECT as the modulation
destination.
12. Move the cursor to the Depth field, and set the value to 100.
13. Press the [WINDOW] key.
You will return to the Zone page. Now you can use velocity to switch between zones for all key groups/pad
numbers. Make fine adjustments to the Range field while striking the pads or playing your MIDI keyboard
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By Blue Haze Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:10 pm
4. Move the cursor to the Destination field, and turn the [JOG] dial to select one
of the following modulation destinations.
AMPLITUDE, PAN, PITCH, LFO1 RATE, LFO2 RATE, LFO1 DEPTH, LFO2
DEPTH, LFO1 DELAY, LFO2 DELAY, CUTOFF, RESONANCE, TF CUTOFF 1, TF
RES 1, TF CUTOFF 2, TF RES 2, TF CUTOFF 3, TF RES 3, AMP ENV ATT, AMP
ENV DEC, AMP ENV REL, FILT ENV R1, FILT ENV R2, FILT ENV R4, AUX ENV
R1, AUX ENV R2, AUX ENV R4, ZONE SELECT, ZONE1 LEVEL, ZONE1 PAN,
ZONE1 PITCH, ZONE1 START, ZONE1 FILT (the corresponding destinations are also
available for zones 2–4).
5. Move the cursor to the Kg field, and turn the [JOG] dial to select the key group
or note number for which you want to adjust the modulation depth.
If you select ALL, your setting will apply to all key groups or note numbers.
6. Move the cursor to the Depth field, and turn the [JOG] dial to specify the depth
of modulation.
7. When you have finished making settings, press the [F1] key (CLOSE). :D
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By Mohammed Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:52 pm
PLease reread my question, because the answer is NOT in the manual.
Although it says that you can select different settings per zone in the mod matrix, it doesnt work, ive tried everything what is in the manual and that didnt work.


Is it possible to apply different lfo settings to different zones in a keygroup??? The manual isnt specific about this

By bleepfreak Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:03 pm
No, I don't think so mohammed.

The modulation matrix is operating at note level, not on the "sub-note" zone level. The only thing I think you can do is to give a zone an extra offset to the filter frequency cutoff, pitch and start time.
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By Mohammed Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:18 pm
So it is also impossible to have gradual on/off setting for each zone in stead of different settings???




Would be cool to make layers and have one of the layers lfo'd and the other not
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By Reveal Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:18 pm
lo,



to get the performance u want,instead of stacking samples in zones within a key group,stack them up in kgs within a keygroup program.

just create/copy a Kg within that keygroup program, and stack ur samples up that way ,so ur really your treating ur kgs withing a keygroup program like zones ,therefore getting loads more control,just make sure the span settings are the same,thats the only way to get the control your after atm.

And to edit them just swap kg's not zones or use the "all" "add" edit feature.

ya see?
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By Blue Haze Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:21 pm
Mohammed wrote:PLease reread my question, because the answer is NOT in the manual.
Although it says that you can select different settings per zone in the mod matrix, it doesnt work, ive tried everything what is in the manual and that didnt work.


Is it possible to apply different lfo settings to different zones in a keygroup??? The manual isnt specific about this


If you look at the destination parameters closely mohammad you can see what I and Bleek were explaining about the parameters of zone. I found it for you but you have to read and understand it. Each parameter is listed which is self explainatory and by the way the info is from the reference manual.of the following modulation destinations. i will cut some of the parameters down for you to see ZONE SELECT, ZONE1 LEVEL, ZONE1 PAN,
ZONE1 PITCH, ZONE1 START, ZONE1 FILT next ZONE 2 LEVEL, ZONE 2 PAN, ZONE 2 PITCH, ZONE 2 START, ZONE 2 FILT(the corresponding destinations are also
available for zones 3–4).
:D If you are layering a sound like in a synth to create sounds it is the same concept for making combinations like on a Triton, or Roland. You can set the LFO to these parameters to a keygroup. You may know already that a keygroup program is one sample spread from one region(one key) or up to 64(64 keys on a keyboard) regions. Each zone is a layer in that keygroup which go up to four. Is says specially you can edit a keygroup or note in a program. :D
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By Mohammed Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:22 pm
So why can you select different zones in the program edit page then???

There would be no point if you only can edit keygroups
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By Reveal Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:26 pm
Mohammed wrote:So why can you select different zones in the program edit page then???

There would be no point if you only can edit keygroups



:roll:'
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By Blue Haze Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:33 pm
Reveal wrote:
Mohammed wrote:So why can you select different zones in the program edit page then???

There would be no point if you only can edit keygroups



:roll:'


Have patience hes close to the answer but he can get it with a little more effort and drive dont give up on him. :D
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By Mohammed Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:13 pm
I think my english is not good enough to explane what i really mean.
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By Blue Haze Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:26 pm
Mohammed wrote:I think my english is not good enough to explane what i really mean.


As far as I know you set lfos 1 thru 2 to as many destinations as you want. For example go to Source set 1 thru 8 as Lfo 1 then go to Destination and set to Zone 1, Zone 2 as you like. If I`m correct it should work too. If I`m wrong sorry for the misunderstanding. :D
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By Reveal Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:58 pm
Blue Haze wrote:
As far as I know you set lfos 1 thru 2 to as many destinations as you want. For example go to Source set 1 thru 8 as Lfo 1 then go to Destination and set to Zone 1, Zone 2 as you like. If I`m correct it should work too. If I`m wrong sorry for the misunderstanding. :D


yes u can do that

i.e =
Lfo 1>>>>zone 1 pitch depth +34
Lfo 1>>>>zone 2 pitch depth +100
Lfo 2>>>>zone 3 pitch depth +20
Lfo 2>>>>zone 4 Pitch depth +30

But then if u have two different zones asigned to the same source in the program mod window,
In this example, the only difference in control u get over each zone that has the same source is the depth setting in the mod window, because each zone that is assigned to the same lfo/source will share the same static settings of the Lfo/source in program edit2.

the depth in the program mod window is a absolute number added to the stactic setting of the desitnation.

To have maxium control use kgs inside a keygroup program instead of zones as i described above.

then you have full control= two lfos etc.. for each kg(sample) and u are able to set a different static setting in the edit page for each kg(sample) and a different setting depth in the program mod window.

Mohammed wrote:So why can you select different zones in the program edit page then???

There would be no point if you only can edit keygroups




So you dont have to go in to the zone page to change/assign each sample assigned to each zone.