SR copyright

As the producer of a record, how much of the SR copyright ownership am I entitled to. I'm about to close on my first production contact. I've never understood this part, so someome please enlighten me. Am I entitled to co-ownership for the master recording of a song?

scorpion1082 wrote:As the producer of a record, how much of the SR copyright ownership am I entitled to. I'm about to close on my first production contact. I've never understood this part, so someome please enlighten me. Am I entitled to co-ownership for the master recording of a song?

thats on you... and if they going to still want the song after that....

you can get what ya want for the sale of your own property, question is, is the buyer going to still wanna buy it for that price and the rights u still wanna keep or even credits u want

Ok. Lets pretend that we're negoiating a deal. I'll type the terms of the contract and percentage split. Tell me if you would except this deal(and tell me is it fair or not).


1 Composition Track /w Lyrical Composition Production(Hip-Hop/Rap) $500.00/Track


Royalties: Album Sales 10% Performance: 50%
Mechanical 50% Merchandisng 20%

Production Credits: Co-Writing and Producer

Copyright: Performing Arts 50%
Sound Recording N/a

I would offer this deal to local(underground)rappers that have seen mediocre success on their scene. To some people(non-serious artists), this would be outrageous, but this is an industry and producers are trying to get paid like the artists(and not get raped). Tell me what you think.

scorpion1082 wrote:Ok. Lets pretend that we're negoiating a deal. I'll type the terms of the contract and percentage split. Tell me if you would except this deal(and tell me is it fair or not).


1 Composition Track /w Lyrical Composition Production(Hip-Hop/Rap) $500.00/Track


Royalties: Album Sales 10% Performance: 50%
Mechanical 50% Merchandisng 20%

Production Credits: Co-Writing and Producer

Copyright: Performing Arts 50%
Sound Recording N/a

I would offer this deal to local(underground)rappers that have seen mediocre success on their scene. To some people(non-serious artists), this would be outrageous, but this is an industry and producers are trying to get paid like the artists(and not get raped). Tell me what you think.

That's a very rough deal there, we would have to negotiate or I would move on. But for someone who doesn't know any better they would go for it, I wouldn't.

I'd tell you to blow it out your backside! You're asking for pay on areas you didn't contribute. Why so much for live preformance? are you preforming too or just taking half? How long is this to go on...for life? If you're gonna collect up front for recording services, why hit me on the back side as well? The big problem is that if your talent is stupid enough to sign on this level, they're probably too stupid to make it anyway. No disrespect intended...that is juat my initial reaction to your offer which is what I assume you want.

fader-pro wrote:I'd tell you to blow it out your backside! You're asking for pay on areas you didn't contribute. Why so much for live preformance? are you preforming too or just taking half? How long is this to go on...for life? If you're gonna collect up front for recording services, why hit me on the back side as well? The big problem is that if your talent is stupid enough to sign on this level, they're probably too stupid to make it anyway. No disrespect intended...that is juat my initial reaction to your offer which is what I assume you want.

Ok man, I remember this post, so let me say(in my own defense)I was dead tired when I typed that post. There are some thing I could have corrected, but then some things will just have to be(because that's part of the industry).

500.00 is too high of a upfront price when I'm also receiving ass end too(pussy and ass, lol).

The type of performance royalities I'm talking about is FCC(radio and video). You get money for those spins. Get a book because I don't feel like explaining it to you.

As for album royalties, meant to say 50% of 10%(Example: 10.00/album 10% of that is $1.00. Now 50% of that dollar is $0.50/Record Sold/Track).

Mechanical royalties: That was only supposed to be for R&B co-writng and production services. I was planning only to ask for only 10%(I was really smoking something there). For the artists in my area, they could really use some artistic guidance(because they have little to none).

Mechandising royalties are the great unknown to amateur producers. If someone decide to let someone else use a song(that you made)and get paid for it, merchandising royalties are design to make sure the producer(who help make the song) gets money too(Rookies!). This also apply to sheet music or any way you can let someone use a song and get comphensation for it.

The PA copyright ownership split will stand. I did the musical backdrop and the artist did the lyrical part. Unless I'm writing hooks or whole songs, this won't change. Deal with it.

Like I said, I wanna get paid too. I'm lot gonna let an artist/group sell 1,000-10,000 records and let them pay me just 500.00 to own my work too.

F**k whut u thankin!

let's say you and 1 other person did that entire song. you did 100% of the beat/music/track. (baring no samples, if the music does contain samples, that would eat into your share) so that's 50% of the song.(if there are no samples), you and the other person wrote the song, depending on how much you contributed to the lyrics would determine your percentage of that. but for this scenario let's just say you and the other person equally wrote 50% of the lyrics, 25% of that goes to you and you now effectly own 75% of the entire song. being that ownership or authorship of a song is 50% music and 50% lyrics.

now going back to your example, you first have to be with an agency such as Harry Fox so they can track the sale of the song/album as well as being affiliated with a PRO (ASCAP, BMI or SESAC). that is where you would apply and track your mechanical licenses from, not the label. Merchandising and such is soley up to the label and the contract you sign with them.

you mentioned a writer split, if you did not contribute to the lyrics in any way, regardless if those lyrics are layed over your music, you will not be entitled to any of the songwriter's share of the song's copyright.

As far as the master recording, the label is normally the owner of that.

i understand that you want to get paid too. but if you affiliate yourself with an agency like harry fox, you will get paid per sale, as you should, on top of what they paid you for the beat.