mpc 3000 sound vs mpc 2000xl sound

reducing your sample rate is not going to make anything more 'phat'. it will just sound like muddy garbage.

there is no magic 'phat' function - it is a combination of sample source, sampling method, and fx.

tapedeck wrote:reducing your sample rate is not going to make anything more 'phat'. it will just sound like muddy garbage.

I still think an "ok" snare can be made into a "decent" snare on the fly by lowering the sampling rate. its not dramatic sure, but of course it does change how the drum sits in the mix a little bit.

going from 44.1khz 22.050khz does add some perceived "phatness" IMHO...

I do agree that it would be a piss poor effort to just leave it at that though..

If you're using a quality sample source and mixing in a DAW you should be able to achieve any sound type that you want to. It's been said before on here, and I'll say it again, people give the machine too much credit. I mean, the 3000 is 16 bit, it's not like it's a 12 bit machine. I own a 3000 and a 4000 and can achieve the same sound from each one because I track out into Pro Tools and use plugins to color and blend my sounds.

Now, with that out of the way....if I only used the stereo outs and relied only on the sound the sampling engine gave me to 'color' my samples, which would sound ''fatter''? The 3000. I thought that when I first got it people were full of shit and imagining things, but for some reason my 3000 is indeed a little warmer, especially on kicks and snares....this is where I can actually notice it. But the real question is, is this sound something that I can't achieve by tracking my beats on my 4000 out into Pro Tools and actually doing a full mix? NO!! Just choose a machine that suits your workflow....Pete Rock doesn't seem to have a problem getting the beats he makes on his 2000xl sound good because he has an engineer that gives him a good quality mix and he chooses nice samples.

So this

KOVSHBEATS wrote:Go for 2000xl+s900/950. You'll have comfortable sequencer+super FAT sounding sampler price of this combo ~= mpc 3000

maybe is the most suitable choise for me. Becouse with 2kXL I will be able to do a part of mixing in the machine with 16 fx card and with s900/950 i wii get the phatness of the samples. Am I right
Sorry for my stupid questions I just want to make the perfect choise. Help me guys!

And something else s900/950's exported files are compatible with files that can read the 2kXL?

Retro Styles wrote:And something else s900/950's exported files are compatible with files that can read the 2kXL?

You don't export with these samplers.. you play the result of the song you made... and you record the audio outputs into a daw or what ever you have to record audio.

You don't mix with the eb16 fx card... you can apply some effects to your samples with a send feature of the internal mixer... which both the 3000 and 2000xl has.. except the 3000 does not have an eb16 build in fx card. The fx card gives you 2 multi fx that have filter, delay, overdrive, reverb, mod, etc... and 2 reverb only. You can only run each sample through one (ie: in the mixer, you pick one of those 4 and increase the send amount) it isn't very advanced, and the fx aren't the greatest... but it's another element that adds an angle of attack in the 2000/2000xl when working on a beat.

I don't know if the 2000xl can maybe read the s900/s950 floppy disks... but you wouldn't want to do that anyways most likely, because you want your s900/s950 sounds playing from the actual s900/s950 when recording the beat.

What about the sound of two mpcs. I want dirtyness and phatness from the sample to the bass and the kick, snare etc.
Is there any website or something tha I can see all the features of mpc 3000 and mpc 2000XL and then to campare it myshelf?

I dont know what to tell you.. pick the one you think is the coolest


maybe check on here for comparisons
http://www.mpc2000xl.com/

Anyone who knows exactly the differences of the sound between them.

Akai's website has a 3k vs 2kxl comparison somewhere. Just google "MPC3000 vs 2000XL". In terms of overdriven bass the 3k shreds the xl.

Ok guys thank all of you. If you have to say something else post it.

Retro Styles wrote:Ok guys thank all of you. If you have to say something else post it.

What is phatness?

Also there is a sampler shootout thread somewhere which compares the audio output qualities of many different machines. Maybe worth a look and a listen. MPC3000 sounds ten times better out of the box than an MPC2000/XL, but with the power of plugins you can even things out and achieve whatever type of sound you want. I would suggest adding FX and mixing in the DAW environment (non-destructive/ undoable) for greater flexibility, unless you want that 'straight from the main outs' type of sound which is difficult to remix at a later stage.

Clint wrote:

Retro Styles wrote:Ok guys thank all of you. If you have to say something else post it.

What is phatness?

Also there is a sampler shootout thread somewhere which compares the audio output qualities of many different machines. Maybe worth a look and a listen. MPC3000 sounds ten times better out of the box than an MPC2000/XL, but with the power of plugins you can even things out and achieve whatever type of sound you want. I would suggest adding FX and mixing in the DAW environment (non-destructive/ undoable) for greater flexibility, unless you want that 'straight from the main outs' type of sound which is difficult to remix at a later stage.

So you recomend me to buy the 3k?

I think you need to be clear with yourself about what you want, so I recommend you write a definitive feature list of what you need from an MPC. They sound different and have different features, so you need to decide which factors are more important to you, taking the price into consideration.

If I were in your position, I'd probably get the (cheaper) MPC2000XL and give it a good run out. If you don't like what it gives you, sell it and try something else. It doesnt sound like you have much experience of MPC's/ music production so why risk a $1000 purchase to discover you can only use one program at a time???

Another thing is the difference in chopping samples. The 3000 will take you a lot longer at first to chop samples on. The 2000xl has visual chopping, the 3000 you have to manually enter where you want the chop to start/stop by using seconds and milliseconds. Kind of similar to Roland's SP line, but instead of using the mark button and trim wheels, you are chopping by manually inputting numbers and using your ears. If I was starting over and choosing a machine to learn I would pick the 3000, because it's solid and straight to the point. But if you are coming from a newer mpc, software, etc....I'm not so sure you'll be happy.