Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).
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By gunmetal Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:39 am
its here
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By gunmetal Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:41 am
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Bug Fixes: OS2 Ver1.03 31-MAR-2008
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1. [Timing Correct ]

Swing dose not work.

2. [GPE]

When there is no cursor in a sample column, if A01 is struck and it goes to TRIM, the sample of A04 will be displayed.

3. [MAIN]

After pressing [SHIFT]+[TAPTEMPO], it cannot go into other modes by [MODE]+PAD.
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By stan steez Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:09 pm
... and still waiting for workflow improvements in:

- TRIM MODE Controls (zoom etc)
- GPE Control (bad WHOLE functionality implemantation and key placement)
- Grid Edit Sequencer (old feel = changing Tsig changes grid resolution)
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By TalkingHats Music Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:03 pm
not being funny nor ungrateful, but i am serious questioning JJ programming ethics, how do you program one function and mess up another?

figuring it out as he goes along is my only assumption...

By dtaa pla muk Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:48 pm
because all are tied to one another in ways we cannot see and few of us (not me) understand. well, i take that back, i glean a little bit of what's going on--most recent 2 bugfixes involved TC swing. first, TC couldn't be applied to a track AFTER it was recorded (1-record track, 2-apply tc, 3:bug TC not applied). fixing that created the opposite problem (1-set tc, 2, record track, 3-BUG TC not applied)

why, then, one might ask, was the code released before this flip flop bug was fixed? well, how else was i supposed to find it? the other option (which isn't really an option so much as an executive decision from above) is to have me test an os before it's released, which would just delay release ("batch" updates, as software companies may say) by at least 2x. plus, how many bugs might i/other frontrunner testers miss that others scoop up almost instantly?

the minority view on this is that "add one feature, mess up one feature"
the reason that is the minority view is because 99.9% (that includes you) see that progress has of course been made. if jj was truly just "treading water" well, we'd still be stuck in 2006!

the first two are bugs that i reported yesterday, that last is unfamiliar to me
better have em fixed than not have em at all, today i'll be seeing what else i can find while getting work done

stan, we're not truly waiting on those functions as they were never promised...though i agree 100% regarding "zoom." i very much dislike hitting SHIFT+UP/DOWN in TRIM, but then using UP/DOWN in CHOP. this is an inconsistency.

i made a suggestion back when this new/old specification was changed (shift+up/down to zoom) but never heard back, so i presume there are other, more important things to do. meanwhile i do more "trimming" in slice since you can specify start/end point of slice 1/last slice there

as for change grid resolution by changing TC, this is certainly not gonna change because of the following reason: the old way, turning TC off made either GRID EDIT unusable. though the current way presents a visual problem for <16th notes, the problem is mostly visual. they can still be edited easy enough from this view. ideally, in the future we'll see 16 pad grid turn into something more like midi grid edit, which is really a more advanced version of grid edit to begin with. i am still not sure why midi grid edit is only available for MIDI tracks GRID EDIT is the default of DRUM tracks...all should be omni-accessible IMO

i imagine we'll see some change in the display of GRID EDIT in general in the future, hopefully taking inspiration from MIDI GRID EDIT. MGE behaves the way that 6pad does/did, in that you could EDIT individual notes and change their duration, velocity, placement, note number (pad)...alll things that one would WANT to edit in 16grid but currently would have to more into 6grid or STEP EDIT
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By mikolo Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:58 pm
figuring it out as he goes along is my only assumption...


Take away the art of informed trial and error, and we lose about 10,000 years of human scientific endeavour..and there'd be no mpc's. :wink:
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By arebee Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:20 pm
mikolo wrote:
figuring it out as he goes along is my only assumption...


Take away the art of informed trial and error, and we lose about 10,000 years of human scientific endeavour..and there'd be no mpc's. :wink:


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By NOCTURNAL RON Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:26 pm
to turn my sampler into what it is today,dont mind a few bugs here and there.i thingk we're all getting a little spoiled.take your time jj!!

And thanks to nym for all the youtube vids.VERY helpful,keep it up if you can!!!!


-nocron

By dtaa pla muk Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:31 pm
more videos maybe thursday, i know i've said that before
but i owe murai a bug demonstration vid and also a demonstration of "songjuggling" using Extra audio mode
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By wudsiba Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:51 pm
Cant wait to see the new videos Nym... And Thanks JJ
By NOCTURNAL RON Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:52 am
could you also add a vocal traning of the arpeggios?it looks useful but dont really understand it.thanx

-nocron

By dtaa pla muk Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:55 am
could you explain what you mean by "vocal training?"
just a video on pad pattern?
if this is what you mean, you may have to wait a little bit, as i am still figuring out how to implement pad pattern into my workflow. it'll happen though.

By NOCTURNAL RON Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:21 am
the version posted didnt have anyone speaking through what was happening.i need jjos2 for dummies video.

-nocron
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By Sooty_G Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:49 am
Nym wrote:as for change grid resolution by changing TC, this is certainly not gonna change because of the following reason: the old way, turning TC off made either GRID EDIT unusable. though the current way presents a visual problem for <16th notes


me personally, i never turn TC off. i don't like the way JJ has grid edit now with the grid being locked at 16th notes. i don't see why he can't have 2 different views that change automatically (from the old TC-dependent grid to the new locked grid) based on whether you have TC switched on or off.
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By arebee Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:50 am
its crazy that the view is fixed @16ths, thats almost an impossible situation no negotiate through when using high resolution timings

above=not a gripe, but all good really, considerin the amount of time JJ must need to give out test versions, and the delay in getting the bugs found, and then fixed.

at least i still have a few months of stability in OS1 while i'm committed to working in OS1,so i dont really get bogged down in the problems OS2 presents.......

but i think in a way i wish i was part of the solution-not the problem-where finding bugs are concerned....but regretfully my time is 100% OS1 projects/jobs.....OS2 would FAIL me if i were to involve it in my life right now.....so

soz bug-hunters.