mpc5000 "undo" and "loop" question...

Hi,
Im working live with a mpc4000 and 2 electrix repeater loopers.
There are 2 things with the 4000 that make me think of the 5000...

1. If i make a mistake with the 4000 while in a loop i cannot undo unless i stop the sequencer.
The 5000 should be able to undo without stopping.....true?

If so, how does this work??...

-When i record lets say a kick for four bars, go out of recording but let the sequencer play.
Can i undo the recorded kick?
-When i record the kick, and then the snare on another track in two passes without stopping the sequencer...
Do i delete the kick and the snare together with the undo?
-When i record the kick, and then the snare on another track in two passes, going out of overdub rec in between the kick and the snare...
Do i delete the kick and the snare together with the undo? or just the snare?

2. Does the hard disk recording loop together with the sequencer?
How is the sync after 5 minutes?

thanx,
Nathan

Every latest recording untill the recording is stopped can be undone and redone as much as you want.

To be sure i understand what you mean...
So i can undo the last recording when it is out of record mode but with the sequencer
still playing?

greetz Nathan

Answer to your question is yes. and the way it's done is simple play your track record your part take it out of over-dub mode (while still playing) the undo light will pop on if you don't like the very last thing you recorded hit the lit undo button and it will be gone. 5000 is more DJ friendly so alot of on the fly beats can be done editing can be done
record undo preview all while the 5000 is still running.

ok thanks!!!!
that was where i was hoping for!

Anyvbody on my second question about loops including the hard disk recorder?

cheers,
Nathan

Ok,I can help you with that to...the harddrive tracks pretty much run evenly with your sequence or sequences all you have to do is play them together in song mode and it really should'nt matter how long your song is it should stay locked in time.(provided you don't change the sequences' time signiture AFTER you've made the harddrive track recordings).And the only way to make the harddrive "Loop" is to copy and paste what you've recorded on the HD tracks or you could re-sample your HD recording and have them loop as a sample.(which is probably the best method because it would use less space).but that is up to you.

Thanks that's clear to!

For me it would be better if the Hd rec. would loop together with the sequence...
But we use the Electrix Repeater to do looping live so it's not a big problem.
The new "undo" function (compared to the MPC4000) is a big plus for me.
Think i'm gonna contact Thomann.

Any other functions that would be handy in a live situation?

Thanks again for the help!
Nathan

Yep,track mute,sequence mute and the Q-link faders and knobs all of which can be operated on the fly while the MPC is playing. Like I said before it is really more DJ friendly this time out no offense to anyone else who might think differently but to me the MPC has always been a monster work station with limitless possibilities (my favorite was the 3000) and now ideas and beats seem to work more natural and quick.If you get one you'll find out that you'll never stop learning what it can do.

Yeah your right, i use a 4k for 8 or 9 years now and i'm very pleased with it!
This year i started to use the 4k for "active" live use. (until now i'd program everything
in the studio and use it as a extremely good sounding backing track player....)

One other thing that blocks the live workflow on the 4k is that if you want to
use the next sequence button AFTER recording you have to stop the sequencer first...
So basically the next sequence function is disabled by a recording action.

Can someone please check for me if this is still the case on the 5k?

Now i always stop the sequence on the 4-and, start on the one of the bar, it works
but it throws the looper from my singer out of sync (she uses longer loops than i do)

regards
Nate

p.s. I'm ordering a 5000 today but the ram upgrade is month out of stock....

Yep! I agree, track mute and pad mute are good for live sequencing. Also the Next seq Funcction is pretty need

CoinOP! wrote:Yep! I agree, track mute and pad mute are good for live sequencing. Also the Next seq Funcction is pretty need

Hi CoinOP
Don't you have the problem that you have to stop the sequencer first to be able to use the next sequence function after recording something........?

To me that doesn't seem to be a very "live sequencing" fiendly situation.

Nathan

nathan wrote:

CoinOP! wrote:Yep! I agree, track mute and pad mute are good for live sequencing. Also the Next seq Funcction is pretty need

Hi CoinOP
Don't you have the problem that you have to stop the sequencer first to be able to use the next sequence function after recording something........?

To me that doesn't seem to be a very "live sequencing" fiendly situation.

Nathan

I don't play live, but creating sequences when playing live seems tricky? If you about to play live I guess you prepare some sequences which you play and rearrange in any order you want......live.


btw. I ment the Next SEQ button, not the next sequence function in the main window.

CoinOP! wrote:

nathan wrote:

CoinOP! wrote:Yep! I agree, track mute and pad mute are good for live sequencing. Also the Next seq Funcction is pretty need

Hi CoinOP
Don't you have the problem that you have to stop the sequencer first to be able to use the next sequence function after recording something........?

To me that doesn't seem to be a very "live sequencing" fiendly situation.

Nathan

I don't play live, but creating sequences when playing live seems tricky? If you about to play live I guess you prepare some sequences which you play and rearrange in any order you want......live.


btw. I ment the Next SEQ button, not the next sequence function in the main window.

-To me that's not playing live......
-The button and the function in the main window are the same.... both disabled after recording without stopping the seqencer.
I'm wondering if this is the same on the 5k.

I really don't think you have to stop anything.I don't play live either but I have run my 5000 thru the test in the mode of the live style and trust me I never had to stop the machine once
And being an old 3000 head it's a hard habit to break. My advice is take the plunge I understand how it is to be blown away by a previous MPC and think "well how can it actually get better than this",but trust it can and it is. No offense to any 4000 users out there,hey we all want the same things and are on the same team when it comes to the MPC.

it's ordered!
It should arrive somewhere next week...
I'll let you know!

thanks Nathan