Bad dotdot directory

Hi

Im new on this site, so i hope i do everything right when posting this.

See i got my mpc5000 and rockin it, made one super cool beat yesterday, but to my surprise all was gone when i loaded it today :'(

I must have forgot the files somewhere, I really couldn't find it at all!
Its very hard to find anything in this mess of files in my opinion.

So I figured to connect it with my mac to get a better overview on whats going on.
So I "cleaned" up my HD files and made neat folders for everything for easy finding.

Like so: ROOT/LIBRARY/WORKING SEQ/ and so on. Now I got it the way I want, so I easy could load any project I want and listen too when I want very easy.

BUT

Now when I turn on the mpc5000 now and try to load anything, I just get an error saying: "ERROR (HD) BAD DOTDOT DIRECTORY"

This is very frustrating since I've been getting this all day for like 8 hours figuring out what to do. Ive been searching like crazy on google and I found this forum!
I also found a forum thread someone explaining exactly the same issue.

Members of the forum replied that the issue is the bitrate is wrong and it should be 16 (or 24 on mpc5000) and should backup the files, format HD with new OS and copy/paste the files back inn.

This is to my opinion the hard way around to getting it to work properly, i mean...
it should be a lot easier since this is the "Beast" in the akai world right?

And this is the weird part, the bitrate is still the same, I've double checked every file i cannot find in the mpc on the mac, and every file is still the same as when i got it. (16bit 44100) Nothing is changed, still i cannot find them!

I even got this software to covert the bitrate, witch was of no use since its already is 16bit files...

SO

When i move folders and files, do they get corrupted that easy? do they somehow get unreadable when i touch them in my mac OS? I'm really clueless you guys on what to do! I can't Format either, because i need an CF card (It says in the user manual) witch i didn't get with the mpc at all when i bought it.

Now I'm really stuck, can't do anything because all my files are corrupted and i can't format either, unless i get the CF card with i would need to go buy. zzzzz

Is there really no way to format the HD without the CF card? or better yet, get the files working like its suppose to?

Im sorry if my English issnt that well understood, since I'm no Englishman but
please help me you guys, i almost gonna fell a tear :'(

I wouldnt format an MPC hard drive with a Mac, is this what you did?

Clint wrote:I wouldnt format an MPC hard drive with a Mac, is this what you did?

Hi

Thank you for answering my thread.

No, i havnt formatted anything since I'm not able to do so since i would need a CF-card.
But I've copy/pasted those files, (free samples witch was included in the hd) into the computer and still waiting for a solution.

After i copyed the files I've erased them from the hd with the mac,
since they didn't work anyway.

How come you say you wouldn't use mac for that? Is there some kind of issue while doing so? It wound not surprise me since the files doesn't work anymore for me.

Is the mac to blame? I really regret buying it already lol

I hope i answered correctly

What he is trying to tell you is that the internal HD of the MPC5000 should be formatted by the MPC itself before saving any files to it.
Transfer of files should then happen via USB or via a Memory Card.

RodmanSan wrote:What he is trying to tell you is that the internal HD of the MPC5000 should be formatted by the MPC itself before saving any files to it.
Transfer of files should then happen via USB or via a Memory Card.

Hi thanks for answering my thread

I didnt know you could actually format from the akai itself, so i backed up the files and did so i think its actually working how its suppose too now! Thank you so much!

I guess I'm real unexperienced still, I'm learning new stuff every day on this awesome machine!

When i wrote about the transferring of files i meant via the USB-cable.

Lampdog wrote:Shine a light inside the cf reader and make sure there are no bent and/or pushed in pins maybe?!

Hi

Thanks for answering my thread

The pins look great, i would have to buy this CF-card to make working on this machine easier i guess, i was kinda relying on the HD only.

If I read all this right you don't need a CF card to format an internal HD that's installed in your 5000. You just need to go to the Dick screen, F3, Utility, Function, Format. Select the internal hard drive (maybe the only choice if no CF card is in the slot), and press F6 (Do It), Caution warning, press Do It again. (page 177 in the manual)

The operating system stays intact, it's not stored on the internal hard drive. So again, CF is only needed for OS update/re-installation, the hard drive can be formatted without the computer using the commands in the MPC's own utility screen.

The bent pins in the slot is a good thing to make sure you don't have, but I think Lamp might have read your posts thinking you had the CF card already. I read it as your internal HD file system is corrupted from shuffling data when mounted to OS X.

I can't think of any specific threads here but it seems common that USB mounting MPC's on OS X leads to all kinds of file problems. Sometimes it's hidden files OS X writes. But in those cases it's usually just single files or one folder of samples for a PGM not loading and giving a bad file message.

Sometimes the bad file messages are because of bit rate, but I don't think that's your problem. I think you can have 24bit WAVS on the MPC's HD or CF and load them, but the MPC dithers it 16 bit 44khz and will load it.

I don't have a 5000, but I'm almost positive on the 24 bit to 16 bit on loading.

Here it's confirmed but no mention of whether or not the loaded 24 bit files are converted internally to 16 bit. (Again I'm 99% sure they are)
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=118162

Whatever "ERROR (HD) BAD DOTDOT DIRECTORY" message you got is saying that whole file structure is not being read. Normally it's just one folder. So it would seem like you have no choice to re-format the internal HD, but use the MPC itself to do the formatting.

Maybe try to mount it over USB one last time and see if you can copy the folders. The data is likely intact, but the MPC can't read/load it properly after the changes to the internal HD's file tabling system. Things aren't where it expects and it gets "stuck".

If you did get a CF card it wouldn't hurt to re-install the operating system with it. Just to make sure you've tried to fix all that could be wrong. But even with no CF card you can try a HD re-format in the MPC. All evidence points to your HD being corrupted than an issue with the OS. But your could re-do the OS also to be safe.

Metatron72 wrote:If I read all this right you don't need a CF card to format an internal HD that's installed in your 5000. You just need to go to the Dick screen, F3, Utility, Function, Format. Select the internal hard drive (maybe the only choice if no CF card is in the slot), and press F6 (Do It), Caution warning, press Do It again. (page 177 in the manual)

The operating system stays intact, it's not stored on the internal hard drive. So again, CF is only needed for OS update/re-installation, the hard drive can be formatted without the computer using the commands in the MPC's own utility screen.

The bent pins in the slot is a good thing to make sure you don't have, but I think Lamp might have read your posts thinking you had the CF card already. I read it as your internal HD file system is corrupted from shuffling data when mounted to OS X.

I can't think of any specific threads here but it seems common that USB mounting MPC's on OS X leads to all kinds of file problems. Sometimes it's hidden files OS X writes. But in those cases it's usually just single files or one folder of samples for a PGM not loading and giving a bad file message.

Sometimes the bad file messages are because of bit rate, but I don't think that's your problem. I think you can have 24bit WAVS on the MPC's HD or CF and load them, but the MPC dithers it 16 bit 44khz and will load it.

I don't have a 5000, but I'm almost positive on the 24 bit to 16 bit on loading.

Here it's confirmed but no mention of whether or not the loaded 24 bit files are converted internally to 16 bit. (Again I'm 99% sure they are)
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=118162

Whatever "ERROR (HD) BAD DOTDOT DIRECTORY" message you got is saying that whole file structure is not being read. Normally it's just one folder. So it would seem like you have no choice to re-format the internal HD, but use the MPC itself to do the formatting.

Maybe try to mount it over USB one last time and see if you can copy the folders. The data is likely intact, but the MPC can't read/load it properly after the changes to the internal HD's file tabling system. Things aren't where it expects and it gets "stuck".

If you did get a CF card it wouldn't hurt to re-install the operating system with it. Just to make sure you've tried to fix all that could be wrong. But even with no CF card you can try a HD re-format in the MPC. All evidence points to your HD being corrupted than an issue with the OS. But your could re-do the OS also to be safe.

Hi!

Thanks for answering my thread!

Yes i formatted the HD with the machine itself and now everything works again! Ive also notice its a extra file called /CLIPBOARD (i think) when you do so, and when you restart the mp, its gone. Its definitely something to do with the folder setup! Thanks for clearing that out, I'm gonna stop using the USB port, since it just causes trouble.

Im also gonna buy a new CF-card and update my OS. I haven't paid attention but i just noticed I still got the old one.

But now something different happend today, my akai actually crashed today while i pushed mode and trim. It totally just locked up and every button stopped working even the tap tempo light stopped working, and that blinks all the time!
this guy on youtube explain his crash witch is identical sept for he pushed mode and step edit.

My pads also have been dysfunctional sometimes too, like i really have to slam it to make it record, but its only makes it worse!

I had the same problem after going in to the internal drive with a mac with usb connection.

I opened terminal in OSX and entered the below command to delete all .DS files

find . -name '*.DS_Store' -type f -delete

also i realized the directory i was having this problem with had a lot of files so i divided it into subfolders.

Metatron72 wrote:You just need to go to the Dick screen