Did we ever have the ability to nudge 1 tick @ 960 PPQN?

Currently the nudging limit in the sequencer (at 960 ppqn) seems to be 10 (sometimes 9) ticks using the shift and drag method, and 4 ticks using arrow keys when TC=OFF (shift does nothing with the arrow keys).

I'm pretty sure in previous versions of the MPC Software we could hold down shift and drag an event around the GUI in 1 tick increments, ie. 1.02.103 moved to 1.02.104.

Anyone confirm this or am I going mad and we've always been limited like this? Or am I missing a shortcut key to bring it down to 1 tick? The list editor allows events to be entered in 1 tick increments no problem.

Jonespice found the same thing. That's pretty fine though, I gotta hear an increment that small to make a judgement.

There is an option in preferences to change to 96 to 96o.

dustymaestro wrote:Jonespice found the same thing. That's pretty fine though, I gotta hear an increment that small to make a judgement.

I agree, I don't think the human brain can actually differentiate at these resolutions, but I was more interested in finding out if this has changed from older MPC Software versions, as I was sure I could get 1 tick changes with 'shift and drag' in 1.4 for example.

Didn't want to have to drop back to 1.4 to test this though!

Even with tc on or off I can move the events with the shift button in a +4 ticks increments. Anyway, as stated before, I never need adjusting that fine. 10 ticks increments are enough for me. with the value set to 96 that is what you get +1(10ticks) incrments. Maybe before the 960 resolution was not active and what we saw was +1 increments but that was 10 ticks. I'm just guessing.

I was saying this 2 years ago and people didn't understand why it was a big deal but if the sequencer is 960 then why can't we nudge 1 increment?

Try highlighting the note and nudge with the arrow key on the keyboard. Makes sure quantize is turned off

pspsounds wrote:Try highlighting the note and nudge with the arrow key on the keyboard. Makes sure quantize is turned off

This is the problem, when doing this we are limited to 4 ticks, not 1.

so is it really 240 ppqn? or does it record in the full resolution but then forces a snap?

I think you can change in 960 way in the event list editor.

then we have to manually enter numeric values, why can't we nudge that way? Why is the sequencer only truly 960 ppqn when you're in the event editor list? Isn't that what nudge is for, to be able to move a midi event in the smallest increment possible? I remember in like 1.5-1.7 it used to be like 10 increments when you nudged no matter if the sequencer was in 96 or 960 mode. Recently got the touch with 1.9 and I see they got nudging down to 4 increments now after the updates but why not 1 increment?

At this point I'm assuming it's related to cpu issues, perhaps trying to move events 1 tick in real time in the gui is just too processor intensive?

i cant see that as being the case... that just looks like a "who is gonna notice" type of a thing... if you can move it 4 or 10 increments... that would be equally as intensive, no? The calculation on the processor end of things would probably require the same number of bits to achieve.

Have to use List Edit to nudge by 1 tick. That's the only way. It's always been this way. 4 ticks with arrow keys on the grid, 1 tick with List Edit.

DJ Hellfire wrote:Have to use List Edit to nudge by 1 tick. That's the only way. It's always been this way. 4 ticks with arrow keys on the grid, 1 tick with List Edit.

Yep. Was just about to post this same thing.

List Edit is the way to go with this.