Dope suprise!

deck daddy wrote:I often sample at 78rpm (if the record is good enough so that it dont skip). Then I have to pitch the sample down 147 in the MPC to get the original tempo (i did some test comparing pitch. You wont get it exactly the right tempo, its a tiny bit off, and -147 was closest the O.G.). I guess i use under half the space on the samples sampled and pitched this way.

At 33rpm +50% I tune down 60 or something, I guess I use maybe 3/4 of the space?.

I dont know how much you save by doing 45 rpm+8%, but you propably save around 1/4.

But the space you save is not all, the lo-fi sound is dope!

But I'm not good with math, so I may be wrong on the calculating.

Get a deck with 78rpm speed or a 50% pitch fader, thats fly!

I sample all my 45's at 78 as a matter of course to save sample time but to also add more character to the sound.

How do you down tune 147 when the 60 can only go down to -120 semitones though????

hmmmm?

highlife wrote:in 6 months you never even turned the data wheel all the way to the right to find out?

now sample at 45rpm and 8+ pitch for even more time (by pitching down of course in the 60--usually -80 range depending upon the genre of music sampled)!

How far does the technics 1200mk2 go? +8??? If yes then if you dont want to loose your key the right tuning is at -66. If tested this by sampling a test tone and found the -66 with a tone tuner.

MR.Stereo wrote:That's very interesting topic!
I will make some test with different pitch way...

I think, i already have listen to about the lo-fi sampling, on the 60.Does it work with the sampling frequency?or something like that, i maybe don't use the correct word...sorry.
I will search on the Forum because i think this way of sampling give more "color" to the sound, isn't it?

Yes it does have something to do with the frequency.
The faster the record spins the higher frequencies it reproduces.
If you have a 10kHz tone running at XX speed and you speed it up twice as much then the 10kHz will become 20kHz. and the 15kHZ will become 30kHz.
Due to the 40kHZ sampling rate on the mpc60 some frequencies will be impossible to be sampled. Thats leads to lo-fi.

So 45rpm and +8%, thats 45rpm+3.6rpm=48.6rpm so,

(33+1/3) / (48.6)=X/100 =>
33.33 / 48.6 = X/100 =>
48.6X = 3333=>
X=3333/48.6=68.58

Well actually my tuner showed me that i should pitch it down at -66.
Now either my calculations are wrong at 68.58 or i dunno.

I will test it too!

I don't suppose any of you players could do the same test tone thang for 45's but on the vestax portable turntable at 78 RPM and 78 RPM pitched up to max?

Ok i have make my test:

First my Tune goes like this: -120 < original sample < 60 .So i don't know wiches MPC do you use deck daddy (maybe the 3k?) but my own 60 can't pitch down more 120.

Then I sample in 45 rpm and +10 (i have an old gemini XL-500).
Afte detune i find the original tone about -70. I Think it's like -60 or -65 when i pitche the turntable at +8 like DJ ALX.

The sound is more "Pete Rock" when i detune my samples, so i really have fun with my 60 now!

Can the 60 choise different sampling frequency?Where can i dig this option?

I try not to sample faster than 45+8 because of more pronounced rumble.

obviously you cant change it in the 60. but you effectively get the same result by speeding up before you sample.

MR.Stereo wrote:Can the 60 choise different sampling frequency?Where can i dig this option?

the average man wrote:I sample all my 45's at 78 as a matter of course to save sample time but to also add more character to the sound.

How do you down tune 147 when the 60 can only go down to -120 semitones though????

Sorry, I use the 3000. -117 would get the sample about right but 2 whole steps brighter than the original. Then it would match up with bass-tones, synths etc. mo' better.

wow, you guys are getting into this!

i just detune by ear. that's the best advice i can offer. you gotta mess around with every track until it sounds right. i ain't about to waste time making calculations! programming chops takes long enough!

i sample everything at 45, w/ 0 pitch or +8 pitch. now take your 2 or 3 samples (read: melodies/loops) and match 'em up by ear. you're listening for the tempos to match, then loop that sequence and program your drums on top of it.

the average man wrote:
I sample all my 45's at 78 as a matter of course to save sample time but to also add more character to the sound.

How do you down tune 147 when the 60 can only go down to -120 semitones though????

first of all its not 120 semitones! its 12 semitone which is an octave.
if you want to play a sound at -147 try try tuning it at -27 (2 semitones and 70 cents) and try playing your sound a whole octave lower. But as i think of it the mpc60 wont allow you to do that ... well, dont sample them at 78 then.

are the values different for the tuning on 2.x OS and 3.x OS? Cause I don't really feel like mine tunes it like that... 10 cents per? I have 2.12.

either way... do it by ear