Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By rw11279 Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:07 am
I'm a new jack

On the 3000 Is their supposed to be a delay between steps in song mode? My sequences are fine but their is a 1 sec or so delay between each step. How do I fix this
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By kebzer Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:24 am
The 3000 and 60 feature a primitive processor with limited power to handle too much on the Song mode. If your sequences are heavy loaded, then you might experience gaps between steps or even slight drifts in the timing.

A solution to this is always to convert everything into one single sequence and play your song from the start screen.
By mpc3000le Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:43 pm
rw11279 wrote:I'm a new jack

On the 3000 Is their supposed to be a delay between steps in song mode? My sequences are fine but their is a 1 sec or so delay between each step. How do I fix this


Still on OS 3.03 ? Could be a problem.

What is your sequence made up of ?

Just SEQUENCE events triggering the internal DRUM SOUND generator ???

Or SEQUENCE events triggering external MIDI devices ???

Do your SEQUENCES have events present START to END ???

Or are you looping back to a point within the SEQUENCE when in SEQUENCE PLAY mode ?

IE: In SEQUENCE PLAY MODE you may have a five bar SEQUENCE that is set to loop back to the second bar, giving the effect of a four bar sequence when playing.

The first bar in the above example may be blank.

Stringing all the SEQUENCES in this above example together in SONG MODE will insert the missing bar at the beginning of each step as a result ...

This could, depending on time signatures, tempos and such ... equal an amount of one second ...

kebzer wrote:The 3000 and 60 feature a primitive processor with limited power to handle too much on the Song mode.


The MPC3000 and MPC60 feature completely different processors.

Old ? Yes ... Primitive ? By modern standards , yes ... :-)

The MPC60 is even "more" computationally challenged than an MPC3000. ( Intel 80186 8 MHz )

An MPC3000 is equally as computationally equipped as an MPC2000, and MPC2000XL. ( NEC V53 16 MHz )

They can "suffer" in a similar manner too.

Problems in SONG mode are more to do with misunderstanding of MIDI event streams than as a result exclusively of an under powered CPU.

...and more likely to effect processing of outgoing MIDI data at the SONG STEP transition point than the internal drum sound generator.

kebzer wrote:If your sequences are heavy loaded, then you might experience gaps between steps or even slight drifts in the timing.


The SONG MODE is actually tighter at the next SEQUENCE transition point than SEQUENCE MODE is when playing and repeating at the loop transition point in SEQUENCE PLAY mode.

The definition of heavily loaded sequence is open to interpretation.

DRUM generator only events ?

MIDI events ?

Combination of both ?

kebzer wrote:A solution to this is always to convert everything into one single sequence and play your song from the start screen.


A good point to remember and stated also in the manual.

SONG MODE works fine when used with a bit of thought as to what you are sequencing.

The MPC3000 is less likely to suffer step transition delays when playing internally sequenced sounds.

The MPC3000 may suffer transition delays when transitioning between steps if heavy MIDI data is present.

The definition of "heavy MIDI data" varies based on various contributing factors.

Very valid points "kebzer" ...

Rohan.
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By kebzer Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:08 am
Word up Rohan! I was just trying to figure out what might be happening with the guy's 3k, no way I ever wanted to clown myself, :lol: (which I actually did pretty well, judging from your corrections)

Good to have you around. At least we're still learning some stuff around these boards. 8)
By mpc3000le Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:33 pm
kebzer wrote:Word up Rohan! I was just trying to figure out what might be happening with the guy's 3k, no way I ever wanted to clown myself, :lol: (which I actually did pretty well, judging from your corrections)


I saw no clown ... :-) :lol:

kebzer wrote:Good to have you around. At least we're still learning some stuff around these boards. 8)


Cheers ...

Other folk welcome to contribute solutions and ideas as always.

Rohan
By rw11279 Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:10 pm
mpc3000le wrote:
rw11279 wrote:
Still on OS 3.03 ? Could be a problem.

What is your sequence made up of ?

Just SEQUENCE events triggering the internal DRUM SOUND generator ???

Or SEQUENCE events triggering external MIDI devices ???

Do your SEQUENCES have events present START to END ???

Or are you looping back to a point within the SEQUENCE when in SEQUENCE PLAY mode ?

IE: In SEQUENCE PLAY MODE you may have a five bar SEQUENCE that is set to loop back to the second bar, giving the effect of a four bar sequence when playing.

The first bar in the above example may be blank.

Stringing all the SEQUENCES in this above example together in SONG MODE will insert the missing bar at the beginning of each step as a result ...

This could, depending on time signatures, tempos and such ... equal an amount of one second ...

kebzer wrote:The 3000 and 60 feature a primitive processor with limited power to handle too much on the Song mode.


The MPC3000 and MPC60 feature completely different processors.

Old ? Yes ... Primitive ? By modern standards , yes ... :-)

The MPC60 is even "more" computationally challenged than an MPC3000. ( Intel 80186 8 MHz )

An MPC3000 is equally as computationally equipped as an MPC2000, and MPC2000XL. ( NEC V53 16 MHz )

They can "suffer" in a similar manner too.

Problems in SONG mode are more to do with misunderstanding of MIDI event streams than as a result exclusively of an under powered CPU.

...and more likely to effect processing of outgoing MIDI data at the SONG STEP transition point than the internal drum sound generator.

kebzer wrote:If your sequences are heavy loaded, then you might experience gaps between steps or even slight drifts in the timing.


The SONG MODE is actually tighter at the next SEQUENCE transition point than SEQUENCE MODE is when playing and repeating at the loop transition point in SEQUENCE PLAY mode.

The definition of heavily loaded sequence is open to interpretation.

DRUM generator only events ?

MIDI events ?

Combination of both ?

kebzer wrote:A solution to this is always to convert everything into one single sequence and play your song from the start screen.


A good point to remember and stated also in the manual.

SONG MODE works fine when used with a bit of thought as to what you are sequencing.

The MPC3000 is less likely to suffer step transition delays when playing internally sequenced sounds.

The MPC3000 may suffer transition delays when transitioning between steps if heavy MIDI data is present.

The definition of "heavy MIDI data" varies based on various contributing factors.

Very valid points "kebzer" ...

Rohan.


Yes, i'm still on the 3.03 could that be the problem? It is just a SEQUENCE event triggered by the internal DRUM SOUND generator, no midi. When I press play, there's also a delay, no matter if i'm playing sequences, or i'm in song mode. The first step that I played in song mode is 1 bar of a drum loop, and then the second is 7 bars of one loop, then the 3rd is 5 bars of one loop and then the next steps go back and forth between the same loops as the 2nd and the 3rd sequences. The 2nd and third loops are the same bpm

The transistion between
Step
1&2 Gap
2&3 No Gap
3&4 Gap
4&5 No Gap
5&6 Gap
and so on

I'm concerned because like I said I'm a new jack and the guy who sold me the mpc, said it had max memory, it didn't I had to install it, it was supposed to come with a working zip 100 drive and the drive was dead, I had to buy a new one, so I'm concerned that there might be something wrong with it.
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By kebzer Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:41 am
mpc3000le wrote:


An MPC3000 is equally as computationally equipped as an MPC2000, and MPC2000XL. ( NEC V53 16 MHz )



Rohan.


Sorry for jacking this thread, but what really caught my attention is this similarity between the 3k and XL. Since I don't own a 3k, I would really be interested to find out if they load and process data at the same speed.

Can anyone confirm that? Especially if anyone owns both with CF drives installed.