making the most of limited ram (60, 950, SP...)

I was thinking about getting one of those turntables that play at 78 rpm, to use even less sample space.
however, will the -120 steps of detuning in the sound edit window in the 60 be enough to bring back the original pitch (or lower, whatever) ?
Maybe the tuning function (in program editing) can be used over that. Anyone ever tried this ?

also, I've seen some cheap turntables that play at 78, like gemini...
but also those portable ones. Do these sound good enough for sampling ?

I almost always sample at 45 with the pitch all the way up or at 78, sometimes 78++. I've never had any problems, it ain't gonna sound 95% like the original sample but thats the fun of flippin it and making your own sounds. Or you could just sample at 33+ and 45+ and then use the compression option on the MPC60.

I've used the compress sounds function once, on a sound sampled @45 already pitched down (a break I wanted to chop), it sounded really bad... so for the moment I'm staying away from this. I'll try again.

A friend is lending me a deck that plays @78, I'm going to try this tonight as well

Nice post !

I'm also thinking about coppin' a Numark PT-01 (can do 78RPM) which seems to be the best sounding portable turntable.

I saw Kev Brown using it and his shit sounds nice so I guess the PT-01 is cool. Anyone ever used it for sampling ?

I almost always sample @ 45 and it takes away alot of high end. not necessarily a good thing, but i dont mind.

ok the 60 you can't detune enough to go back and bellow the original pitch, both in sound edit and sound 2 page (they overide each other)
however no problem with any rack sampler

I don't know about the SP ?

By doing some maths I found out that you could sample @78RPM and bring it down to approx. 43.2RPM by pitching it down. Unfortunately not enough to 33 1/3 RPM.

But I don't think you would obtain some useable sound, because even at 45 +8% I found that some samples sounded bad -> especially if you have many highs in it.

Everything I said above applies to the SP.

You could try with 78RPM and -8% to -10% depending your turntable.

ive been trying to use the compress function but everytime i use it, it always reverts the compressed sound back to the speed i sampled into the mpc
is it possible to keep it at -120 and keep it at that speed?

lumin wrote:ive been trying to use the compress function but everytime i use it, it always reverts the compressed sound back to the speed i sampled into the mpc
is it possible to keep it at -120 and keep it at that speed?

Nope. Read about compression in the manual.

spectre wrote:

lumin wrote:ive been trying to use the compress function but everytime i use it, it always reverts the compressed sound back to the speed i sampled into the mpc
is it possible to keep it at -120 and keep it at that speed?

Nope. Read about compression in the manual.

yeah thats what i thought
i just got misled in one of the suggestions above that i could compress and keep the same pitch
thanks

Sounds to me like yall nukkas need to invest in a newer sampler if you're so hard up for sample time. I mean, sampling at 78?? C'mon now, that's just being a bit ridiculous.

It's alright, we won't think any less of you if you cop a sampler that was made after 1990.

...either that or stop being so Kanye-ish. Sample less, trim samples properly and be more creative. Then, you won't have to worry about a thing.

lol

I do own a 32 MB sampler, but I'm tryin to get rid of it...
The thing is right now I'm stuck with 750 kb on the 60, and 1,5 on the 950, just tryin to work on longer and more complex stuff (involving lots of chopping), than the usual 4 bar + chorus worth of composition beats (that I enjoy doing as well)

sp12_freak wrote:Nice post !

I'm also thinking about coppin' a Numark PT-01 (can do 78RPM) which seems to be the best sounding portable turntable.

I saw Kev Brown using it and his **** sounds nice so I guess the PT-01 is cool. Anyone ever used it for sampling ?

I have a PT-01 and its ok for sampling. Not that good though, mainly use it for listening to records at my girls place, her grandparents and parents crib and whenever I go diggin the country. I also have a Stanton Str8-80. Now it's good for sampling @ 78 or whatever speed you want. Sampling at 78 rpm ain't rediculous, I flip alot of stuff at that speed.

Kersey, get another memory chip in that 60 and you'll be straight, specially if your using a S950. Thats more than enough sample time for anybody. Also, you can just compress them sounds and them pitch them again. (I think) I'm going to have to turn on my 60 and try it again, its been a while since I used that option. I mainly use it on bass and low frequency samples, but it makes kicks and snares sound kinda raggedy in a bad way. Good on sampled bass though, gives it a nice pleaseant buzz.

I used to have a 78 and it didn't work that well....

Sampling vinyl at 78 rpms is ludicrous. If you're that desperate to expand the sample time of these various machines, consider the alternative of purchasing a duplicate sampler. Think about it. If you MIDI x2 SP1200's together, you've added another 10 seconds (+) of sample time to your setup and without all the hassle.

Not to mention, this'll save you the stress and anxiety of erroneously detuning your recording. That 78 rpms will only further complicate things is another issue you should have regards for.

Hope my input helps in making your decision.

Peace=-