poundaproblem wrote:damn WTF happened with this thread? Duke got jumped for a pretty straight forward question
Anyways I think bicedidit's idea is cool. I use a combination of things to get that offbeat. A few ideas
1. (Similar to bicedidit) Take the same same sample and place it on a few pads. Lets say hats for example. Do one take with quantize on (usually on the 1). The next take you could turn off the quantize and use another track. The third take you can turn quantize on but add some swing. Mixing and matching this will get you some of the natural groove but at the same time will have some samples perfectly on time.
2. Take the sample and open up trim screen. zoom in until the wave is pretty large, trim backwards until there is a SMALL gap before the actual audio begins. If you copy a sample (like hats) a few times and trim them slightly different and then add a touch of swing you will get some pretty cool results. Again it will sound natural but still be on time.
I have worked with a BUNCH of drummers. One of the hardest thing to get a seasoned drummer to do is to play off beat on purpose...
Nym wrote:a lot has to do with the melody and/or bassline you're working with, too.
i find this style of drum a lot easier to program with if you make your drums before your melody. the other way around, the melody often kind of dictates where the drums should go and it's harder to get that pleasantly awkward knockery.
J.Daniels wrote:just play the rhythm you want. i dont use quantize as well, or even a midi sequencer for that matter, but more often or not you just need to think of the rhythm you want and just play it till you catch it and it feels right. one lesson i learned is that its easier to document an idea by pretending i dont have the ability to edit it later and get it right going into the machine.
just feel it out.
Sovereign wrote:J.Daniels wrote:just play the rhythm you want. i dont use quantize as well, or even a midi sequencer for that matter, but more often or not you just need to think of the rhythm you want and just play it till you catch it and it feels right. one lesson i learned is that its easier to document an idea by pretending i dont have the ability to edit it later and get it right going into the machine.
just feel it out.
So true.
The norm has become bang around and see what you come up with instead of having a path or intent.
The whole concept of song writing seems to have disappeared.
Also want to get Dilla style chops? Get a v3 60 or 3k and learn to use the best start function.
Sovereign wrote:Mot saying try to be like Dilla but if you want to grasp what he did don't hold on to a drumming perspective.
It's more about how he meased his methods and tools together to create a little slop in his programming.
The work Jay Dee did when he was working with Tribe and Pharcyde was cool but "Get Dis Money" is and will always be my favorite Jay Dee song.
Just makes me remember the what it was like before people started cloning him.
A lot of the later Dilla stuff ( Donuts and The Shining ) I can take or leave it just comes off as overrated.
It not bad work but if somrthing happened to mine I seriously doubt I'd replace them.
objektivone wrote:bicedidit wrote:say u have a kit with 8 drms sounds loaded.
on the other 8 pads, load the same drums up and time shift the same drum sounds a little bit and while ur playing the drum beat, randomly use the other 8 pads which have been time shifted.
get it?
Somewhat, but I like this idea a lot. So double all the drum sounds on different pads, but when you say time shift do you mean double up on the playing of all the drums? Add silence in front of the drums?
What I am getting is have 8 sounds with normal drums, have doubles of all with a random amount of silence in front of them.... randomly switch to the other pads to get a little offbeat feel...
That is a good idea too! Thanks a lot. I will try that too.
bicedidit wrote:objektivone wrote:bicedidit wrote:say u have a kit with 8 drms sounds loaded.
on the other 8 pads, load the same drums up and time shift the same drum sounds a little bit and while ur playing the drum beat, randomly use the other 8 pads which have been time shifted.
get it?
Somewhat, but I like this idea a lot. So double all the drum sounds on different pads, but when you say time shift do you mean double up on the playing of all the drums? Add silence in front of the drums?
What I am getting is have 8 sounds with normal drums, have doubles of all with a random amount of silence in front of them.... randomly switch to the other pads to get a little offbeat feel...
That is a good idea too! Thanks a lot. I will try that too.
u can always add a random amount of silence before a sample or u can go into the timing screen and time shift each of the duplicate samples, forward or backwards a little bit and see how it works. trial and error big dog. good luck
objektivone wrote:maybe one hihat with no silence in front and one with some silence in front to give that somewhat offbeat groove.
bicedidit wrote:objektivone wrote:maybe one hihat with no silence in front and one with some silence in front to give that somewhat offbeat groove.
circle gets the square.
between that idea and time shifting the duplicate samples, u can basically keep quantize on and still have onbeat/offbeat drug programming similiar to this diller character u guys keep referring to.
-out.
objektivone wrote:Best idea yet, and props for actually reading the thread so you aren't just uping your post count. LOL.
Your the best pound!!
bicedidit wrote:
u can always add a random amount of silence before a sample
