Sampling on point.

I was watching an interview of premo talking about how much he stressed that all his samples had to be on point, and his beats really do hit hard and are on point, but how was he able to accomplish this without time stretching since he uses the MPC 60? Iv run through so many samples that really dont reach the next one without being able to time stretch, and sometimes it sounds like shit anyways. I figure if it can be done with much older technology there's no reason for my current MPC 1000 to not be able to do this. Something im missing? Suggestions?

Preemo samples with his S950, which does have a timestretch feature, although he says he doesn't use it that much.

There are other way to 'stretch' samples in order to fit the beat/ tempo. This is not machine related.
You can pitch down the sample or set the bpm higher.
You can also loop the sustained part of a sample.
You can sequence the samples so they will fit.

Keep experimenting and you will find you're way to get you samples on point.

isnt the time stretch feature mainly for loopers? like if you need a sample loop to spread evenly over 2 bars in sync with the tempo? premo doesnt really loop, his beats are like a bunch of chops pieced together. often you will hear a chop of his not reach the end of the bar but he'll add some other shit in that makes it come together with the next bar. the thing i like is when a sample cuts short and theres a half-second of dead air or just drumbreak before the next bar..

Are there any advantages the s950 would have over a current mpc? And yes I have to say now that you mention it alot premos stuff is chops put in a sequence, but it drives me crazy to hear some artists like the fudgemunk, how disgustingly awesome and clean his loops and samples are put together it makes me feel like shit.

shesawe wrote:Are there any advantages the s950 would have over a current mpc? And yes I have to say now that you mention it alot premos stuff is chops put in a sequence, but it drives me crazy to hear some artists like the fudgemunk, how disgustingly awesome and clean his loops and samples are put together it makes me feel like shit.

when you find your sample speed, why dont you just tap out the tempo to match? ive never really figured out how to properly use the mpcs timestretch function but i can still manage to have my loops in sync.

another technique is to chop according to kicks and snares and tap the loop out by pad until it loops around..

as far as the advantages of an s950? i would say just a dirtier sound, isnt it a 12-bit sampler as in the same internals as the mpc 60.. the s950 is only a sampler you would still need your mpc to sequence.

loop mode, its the holy grail that your searching for.

watch this video and apply it to your mpc 1000.
jjos2xl has a great loop mode feature, im pretty sure the stock os can do it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMxxsl5PXLI

most chops (in my case at least) are around the same lenght, (EX: 0.697 , 0.693, ...) so if i apply a small bit of delay or reverb, it will sort of glue them together and instead of having air or space in between the main loop (ie not looping perfectly), having delay or reverb helps fill that gap.

it also helps to have background tracks (pads, bass, extra percussion, etc.) that will play through these gaps

but usually if your chops are about the same length, you can just loop or sequence the loop itself as a whole and make sure its looping the way you want. then mute it and play back your chops in place of the loop and no matter what order you play them it, you should end up with a perfect loop.

josephnicks wrote: the thing i like is when a sample cuts short and theres a half-second of dead air or just drumbreak before the next bar..

I see that as an technique. If you put such a second of air in your beat on the right places of the melody it creates some space and rest. That way the loop won't sound too busy to keep repeating over and over.

good chops + pitch + pgm mono + bpm = seamless loop without timestretch .. but primo used blank space a lot too..

def think he mostly just uses pitch and mono but who knows

I often have my chops longer that it should(you just leave a bit of the next sound in your chop), and then use the mute groups so that your next chop cut the previous. Works fine most of the time!

just what es-k and borat said..

to me it stands and falls with decent chopping! If you chop shite.... chances are... the beat is gonna be shite..
How do you even play shite chops on your pads???
That's usually when you realize.. you gotta go back to trim mode..

es-k wrote:good chops + pitch + pgm mono + bpm = seamless loop without timestretch .. but primo used blank space a lot too..

def think he mostly just uses pitch and mono but who knows

His programs are mono? Thats something iv never noticed, converting a stereo sample to mono can cause some serious fizz or phasing right?

No, i think what es-k meant was that he sets his pads to mono opposed to stereo or note off. When you do this your sample won't overlap itself!
Anyways, Primo samples with his S950 only, which means mono only, no stereo(i think...) And i'm almost positive sampling in mono won't cause phasing problems .
You should try different settings and see what works best fo you, we don't all have the same methods for chopping

shesawe wrote:

es-k wrote:good chops + pitch + pgm mono + bpm = seamless loop without timestretch .. but primo used blank space a lot too..

def think he mostly just uses pitch and mono but who knows

His programs are mono? Thats something iv never noticed, converting a stereo sample to mono can cause some serious fizz or phasing right?

bro no dis but u dont know what the **** it going on with production and thats cool


but converting from stero to mono will not automatically cause distortion or fuzz.


timestrech is not a requirement tomake beat line up and hit correctly or be on point

all u need is to be able to chop samples alter pitxh be it on the turntable or in the sampler, then **** with tempo and swing and possibly envelopes.


dont listen tio these egg heads that say u can make a beat without timestrech lotta them duds is ex geeks and space marines fanatics so the approach creative arts from nerds mindset hence the need spectral analysers to tell them if they have phase issues or shit is out of tune.

or they need a beat per minute application to help them find samples that match the song tempo.

so following them dudes they will over complicate shit cos thats how they mind thinks and they'll have creating midi daisy chains between ur microwave and ur iphone before u just hit the pad on ur controller.

pretty much on point!

i'm just assuming that when u wrote:

"dont listen tio these egg heads that say u can make a beat without timestrech"

it was a typo and you meant to say:

"dont listen to these egg heads that say u can't make a beat without timestrech"