I want more...

I am sick of the music that is out there right now. I want to produce some hardline, true to myself hip-hop and soul and create a scene (full of real music) where I am. I have been using my Mp for cookie cutter my life is so hard so I'm gonna make a club track pop rap beats in the Nelly, 50 Cent, "Hey I touched this girls a** in the club, ain't I cool" type bullsh*t style in order to get paid... and the knuckleheads have been biting, but that type of stuff is real unfulfilling. I need all the real headz to tell me anything I need to know about this MP to get some satisfying beats out of it. F*ck the 60, the sp303, Korg, Yamaha, or anything esle anyone else might use, I only want MPC 2000/3000/4000 talk and reasonable support suppliments. I know that this is a subjective question, and I am asking for people to make assumptions about what I feel is satisfying; and, I also realize that my question places me in a sort of neophytic position, but I want this feedback to feed others... Chopping, slicing, timestreching, effects, compression, mixing, loading, pitch shifting, saving, nothing is out of bounds. Formulas, advice, miding, MTC, MMC, Reason, ProTools, talk about it all. I am not a rookie, nor am I Jay-Dee, but I keep reading these threads and want someone to try to compress most of these subjects into one, while gaining the knowledge of other professionals... like the birth of Be-Bop. Speak to me and everyone esle who reads this... or ignore it, call me names, and go about your business... but say something!
Peace

U r askin the same thing that has been asked and covered already in many many posts.. What else is there? I got mpc2kxl, asr10 and triton. What do you wanna know? If I don't know someone will..

But yeah, I feel your pain homie. I'm so sick of rollin on dubs and throwing c-notes to strippas while smoking on endo, on the way to the mall to take my girl to the prada shop so she can bling later at the club with her timbaland boots on that match my frosty wrist looking pink lemonade..

It all sucks..

yep tis whack, but that is what happens when your music goes mainstream, some record exec will figure out how to "bottle" the sound of a culture, which the man then sells this diluted bunk as "hip-hop".

same thing happened to rock. same thing happened to punk, same thing happened to well everything except Jazz, and that is key, how did jazz ecape the pit?
simple, the "minor leagues" of jazz is a lot like the "minors" here in hip-hop, the underground cats keep it true to the art, like underground (aka up and coming) jazz artists also keep it true to the culture. that is how jazz keeps fresh and that is how in the jiggy era we still got guys like Madlib, Shadow, Cut Chemist etc.

I think it has to do with Jazz and Hip-hop being music of a true CULTURE (rock and punk aint really cultures, more of lifestyles.) thus, there is some education needed to be a musician you cant just "grab a sampler" and make nice hip-hop beats, you gotta know where to look for samples, you gotta understand the evolution of the music to compose for it, stuff like that.

thats what I tell people who say hip hop is gonna die, JIGGY hip hop is on its last leg (look at it, puffy's new deal is nowhere near the 100 mil. + one he had b4), but then these cats taking it back to the original, BEP, J5, Rakim, EPMD is supposed to drop a new banger soon (I say banger since we ALL know EPMD is tight Erick and Parrish Making Dollas!!!!!)

as long as the underground is strong so will the genre, rememeber when rock got bad? it was when RATM suddenly was on MTV, they gave up the underground for $$$$$$.

as long as these underground cats keep dropping and we support them, and support peeps its all good. I say this so that next time you can chose between DMX and some underground cat you aint never heard of b4's cd's. pay the xtra 5 bux, cop the underground cd, and listen to DMX on the radio.

EVERYTIME I have done that (with the exception of that NEcro CD i copped instead of the Alkaholiks "Likwidation") I have been happy with the results plus, some artist gets exposure. Sure, he may be whack, but people said 2Shorts first album from the trunk of his car ( I got it, with an EARLY version of "freaky tales" on it) was whack too and look at him now.... the dude you slept on in the cosignment section cuz his cd didnt have tight artwork may be dope. support, support, support, when I hit the record store I go right to the cosignment/ indie release section. when I see cats hawking cd's I cop them from them. Its right, support the industrty.

wordFOO

thats how i feel i don't listen to commercial radio i listen to college
thats where the really music comes from first.

m&m i heard that sh!t yrs ago b4 it came out on com.radio

i've been listening to college radio since the 80"s istarted playing on college radio in the late 98

college is where it's at.

Thank you Dr. Foo and D.J. e.d.e

yep. I also bump mad college radio plus man college radio is funny. Peeps got no experience so they be doing stuff like cuieng the wrong song and cursin and ish. I like it for the reason you said too, they play real ish.

yeah, every underground artist is looking to get on college radio.

yeah, and support underground cats. dont burn that cd from your boy, hit up the email on it and buy one from him. In my experice, if you do that, hit em up and say "my boy got your ish and rather then burn it id cop it, its nice"
I do stuff like that and these cats remember that. I copped one dudes album from some podunk part of the USA like that. when he dropped his new one, he just sent that ish to me with a note "Yo I know you coulda burned that last one, thanks for the love." Sure he knew that I was gonna up it to my peeps and he'd get sales that way, but its the whole idea of giving LOVE to a fellow hip hopper, supporting him as he does his thing.

That is why I like the underground, 4get the backpacks and the bboying its the "we are a community" vibe you get, that OLD SKOOL hip hop vibe that I just dont feel from these jiggy rappers.

Its like everything else, when they leave the hood they lose touch with the counsumer.

Sure, he (dude I copped the cd from) was still gonna make $$ but its the idea that counts, he gave love to a fan who showed him love by supporting him so he could drop another album then he responded in kind by hitting me with it for nada.

show me a mainstream mc that would do that? NONE. If you sent that letter to jigga his assistant who reads his mail would laugh at you.

keep it old skool means more then Adidas shell-toes.....

Damn. This "is" something that's been discussed on many forums and obviously in many barbershops. I don't know if the music is dead, but the marketplace has put a straight jacket on it. In fact, the music ain't dead. Musicians can do as they wish. But folks don't phu#kking know. There needs to be a vehicle for building community and a set of values that steps beyond just getting paid.

Just yesterday, I spoke with a friend about a project that he's attempting with a group of wealthy Black athletes. I suggested some ideas that I've been toying with for a long time. That is, developing an artists' summer retreat for promising young musician/producers between 13 and 17 years old from around the country. They will learn digital audio and sampling and other traditional music stuff as well. But they will also learn about how they are connected to a rich musical tradition and connect with older veteran musicians as well. We'll see what happens.

The goal is to create a newer digital based version of Chicago's AACM (Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians). If you don't know you need to dig. They are probably the most important group
of Black artists in the 20th century. Why? Because they self-determined a plan that expanded their vision and changed the way things go. They deal with a broad range of ideas, including economics, history, spirituality, manufacturing, ethics and the survival of African American artists. And they still operate in Chi-Town today.

Anyway, I agree with everything folks have said thus far, and add that, if we really wanna see a change in the music. We need to change ourselves. It ain't a coincidence that folks describe this work as "the game." Hustle slanguage. And that determines how they go about it. And that's only come about since folks have gone platinum. Back in B. B. (B. B. = Before Biggie and friendly radio support) didn't hear that kinda sh#t often. Fools were surprised to even be getting paid.

Now, I'm not against getting paid, but if that's your prime motive as an artist, your ph#kked. Especially as a young artist who can get paid in this climate. Better have another plan. Better have another vision.
What's gonna happen when this whole sh#t falls off? And it will. Everything changes. Right now, I'm working with some brothers and sisters developing a Hiphop Theatre/performanace Art festival. They're doing some stuff that ain't nobody seen yet. And it ain't music, but it's musical. They're telling some heavy stories using words, their bodies, images and sounds all based on the boom bap.

...Damn. I'm preaching. Anyway, Check out the AACM and expand our vision and this music.

Peace.

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I feel all the commentary i'm hearing in this thread, except the non-tactile-information-collection of necro, some of his ish is dope (ill bill and nonphixion too). Hey, the scene is nothing but underground here (some j@ck@ass signed a contract with fat joe to get him up here for the universities annual out door music fest and he didn't even show for his loot. In an hour radius it's me and MAYBE 10 guys(estimating high) that make any kind of hiphop, so i appreciate the love for the underground artist as well even if it's some herb yelling at me across the street "hey, you make up improvisational rhyming, right?".
anyway, hiphop ain't dead, just getting low on the totem in the corporate wh@re harem.
mike