Has anyone properly A/B'ed a MPC5000 with a MV8800?

I hear what your saying fenix, out of the box the mpc (1000 withJJ) is more satisfying and really is elegant the way he has made the work around the gui so easy. I think I said the problem with the mv is that it is very slow, the 1000 is does things a lot quicker in terms of editing, ok can't compare the 5000 but just with what I know

fenix wrote: I dont care if theres something I dont have set right on the godamn machine. to have to leap through menus to find quantize in some pop up menu

how you expect to get good result if you're ass is too lazy to tweak your gear ? and btw you dont gotta skip thru pages of pop up menus to find quanitze on mv...it's as simple as holding down shift key and any of the numeric buttons to change your quanitze.

maybe you should have spent more time with machine before jumping into conclusions...I dont think it's a secret that mpc is noob proof machine. but once something requires some learning the other option is automatically better since it's easier to use.

I really dont want to get into trashing each other on here by trying to pass judgements on each other. Especially since not one of us knows each others backround in music. I dont think any hardware sequencer is that complicated, and holding shift and another button is still more than pressing T.C , and you still have to scroll down to quantize,and then you select it. So it is actually much more arduous, especially if you are using it all the time like us noobs do.
Pa said once I have enough time in the game I wont need quantize no moe.

by the way nice art deco tag

the only thing slow, from my experience, is the loading, saving, and creating new projects in the MV8000. But once you have a project open, it is mind blowingly fast to do whatever edits you want. That clipboard function and the MFX processor is enough reason to get the 8800. The machine has no TIMING PROBLEMS when you record with quantize OFF. My motto : fuk a quantize.

I can't even imagine having a mpc5000 and not also having a mv. They just go so well together. I like to switch up my machines once in a while, so I don't see this as overkill. Just, don't buy these expensive ass machines and not use them.

One thing that really pissed me off about the mv is loading a patch, you gotta go through menus and sub menus before you can even get to view the damn patches

any extra step that takes you away from the groove, can break you away from the feel.


I had an fantom x and I bought a fantom g. On the g i could pump out heat easily, but on the g i couldnt make a song to save my life just because all of the little extra steps.

Like having to confirm you want to keep what you just recorded instead of just stopping the damn machine.

I sold my mv8800 cause i was pissed about Roland not selling mv8-ops anymore and listing the 8800 as a legacy product on their site.

So I ended up getting a mpc 5000, this being my first Mpc I was amazed at the diffrence and ease of workflow. Just the fact that I dont have to do so many extra little steps, increased my productivity and arguably quality immensely.

In my opinion mpc 5k beats an mv8800 hands down. That color screen and vga display on the 8800 seemed to slow me down more than help, and other than those, the mv doesnt do or have anything better than an mpc and has a more complicated workflow.

fenix wrote:I really dont want to get into trashing each other on here by trying to pass judgements on each other.

nah man...we just having healthy argument ...Im no senior operator of either machine or anything like that. I was just trying emphasize there is no winner cuz there is no perfect machine.

fenix wrote:by the way nice art deco tag

thanks

LvngDead wrote:I can't even imagine having a mpc5000 and not also having a mv. They just go so well together. I like to switch up my machines once in a while, so I don't see this as overkill. Just, don't buy these expensive ass machines and not use them.

I can see that...for minute I was on a mission to get a 4000 to accompany the mv.

however I am pissed about the mv8 op1 situation...I have enough inputs to plug in 2 mv and then some.

that shit turned me off to the point where Im considering selling the unit. no way I will pay $500 for 6 additional analog inputs a digital input.

I had a 4k and mv88. I kept the Mv and its an incredible machine. Your really have to invest some time to reap the benefits of all the features, much the same as the 4k. The Mv is much more than the mpc 4 or 5k could ever be. Never had any timing issues at all. The VGA is essential, it makes a huge difference in discovering and mastering all of the features. The Workflow is quiet different from the mpc, but its very easy to pick up once you get going. I've also got a mpc2.5k with jjos but the mv has made it mostly redundant as the mv can do a whole project on start to finish.

Jauly wrote:Go for the 5000. I had an MV before, and it had 3 times lesser effects and the timing of the sequencer was horridly bad.

i hate that i got the mv8800 and wasnt patient enough to wait for the mpc5000 to come out i got the mv8800 3 to 5 months before the mpc5000 officially came out in stores like guitar center and sam ash, i just hate the way they do the sequencing on the mv they dont have a list change like they do in the mpc's song mode , you have to acually play your sequence the way you want it in song mode on pads that there programmed to , damn i need a mpc5000, i got a dude who wants to but the mv88 for $1200 but i got to spend another $1400 to get the 5000.....damn !

You don't have to play the patterns if you don't want. The pattern track can be stepped in, placed by location, or played in real time like drums alongside the MIDI and audio tracks in Song Mode. The Pattern Event screen tells you what is where and every pattern can be auditioned from a labeled pad. Most important is that Song Mode between the MV and MPC are hugely different and it's a matter of individual preference. However i also respect that it isn't for everybody. Personally I like the flexibility being able to do more than just stringing patterns. The above mainly for those unfamiliar with the MV's song mode vs. the MPC list.


If you sell your MV now there is no short supply of brand new units on Ebay from small scale sellers with little or no overhead. Prices are as low $1700 new. There's usually no 30 honeymoon but if your sure that's what you want it's a pretty sweet deal. This recession is taking it's toll on gear makers making it a unusually strong buyer's market.

One thing that really pissed me off about the mv is loading a patch, you gotta go through menus and sub menus before you can even get to view the damn patches

Then just move the favorite folders to higher position in the directory or place your most used patches on the root directory and they'll be on the first page when you hit Import. better yet just make a new folder on the first page and move and save patches to it. Just because Roland nested a folder doesn't mean it has to stay there nor do you have to save them there.

Not just that. I think he is talking about loading to a patch on a track. When you import a patch, it won't automatically target the currently selected part on the current track. It should fill the current instrument part by default. Instead you have to manually select the part you are using. But then there is no relation for the track to the part either. So you fumble trying to remember what track is targeting what part.

When you are in the track parameter page and press import, it should import to the part on the track parameter page instead of you manually having to remember what to target and arrow to the part field and scroll. You should also be able to select what patch is assigned to the part from the track parameter page. All they would have to do is split it to two fields.

Also, when you have the track parameter screen up and you scroll that to a new track, the track select on the main page does not follow. Selecting a new track on the track parameter page should well umm select the new track as the active track. This gets annoying and is not intuitive.

There are other little things like no dedicated overdub button so you have to do that in a menu versus one button press from the top panel. Pressing erase button from stop does not bring up track erase. Cycling through samples like trying to replace a snare is slow with more button presses etc. I could go on but it just aint as fast and slick in some ways.

I do agree that the song mode is better than on the MPC. You can record real time or step. You can also select an existing pattern on the pattern call track and scroll through the list of patterns to replace. You can even do it with the mouse manually.

I see what your saying. It should be automatic - especially on a blank track. A "Apply to current track" checkbox would indeed be nice. Good point man.

I think the MV was a good concept but the flaws that it has make people stay away from it. So many come to the machine thinking it like a DAW and when they can't find the similarities they give up on the machine. What they should've did was start the sequence resolution at 120 instead of 480 so that MPC users wouldn't have to change it. That's one thing that many people who I talk to at Guitar Center never know. The one thing that I don't like is that you can only use 1 mfx on a track.