Keygroup (Confirmed: need 192mb of RAM to use effectively)

anyone here use the piano sample keygroups with just 64mb of ram?

The notes say three of the programs offered require the EXM-E3 memory card (192mb Ram)...

EDIT: I tried loading the big keygroups (Grand Piano1-144), and I got an error saying " NO Memory Available"

diegoeskryptic wrote:anyone here use the piano sample keygroups with just 64mb of ram?

The notes say three of the programs offered require the EXM-E3 memory card (192mb Ram)...

EDIT: I tried loading the big keygroups (Grand Piano1-144), and I got an error saying " NO Memory Available"

Diego, do you not have the 128mb RAM expansion installed? The 144m after the filename represents how much RAM is required to physically load all of the samples within the keygroup program into RAM (i.e. 144mb). So yeah, 70m, 105m, and 144m will need the extra RAM in order to load.

They all load great with the full 192mb onboard though.

diegoeskryptic wrote:Keygroup (Confirmed: need 192mb of RAM to use effectively)

I would agree with you but that would mean the Akai S950/1000/3000, Korg Triton Studio/Trinity, Ensoniq ASR-10, Emu ESI-4000/2000/32, Kurzweil K2600/2000, etc are all useless for keygroup sampling.......since they all use a fraction of 192 MB of memory....

Keygroup sampling is/can be used to reduce the size of your programs since you don't have to sample every key like I was doing before keygroups were possible on the 5K.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

diegoeskryptic wrote:Keygroup (Confirmed: need 192mb of RAM to use effectively)

I would agree with you but that would mean the Akai S950/1000/3000, Korg Triton Studio/Trinity, Ensoniq ASR-10, Emu ESI-4000/2000/32, Kurzweil K2600/2000, etc are all useless for keygroup sampling.......since they all use a fraction of 192 MB of memory....

Keygroup sampling is/can be used to reduce the size of your programs since you don't have to sample every key like I was doing before keygroups were possible on the 5K.

yeah but to get better expression you'd need to sample more than one key per octave dont you agree?

NorthernElite wrote: The 144m after the filename represents how much RAM is required to physically load all of the samples within the keygroup program into RAM (i.e. 144mb). So yeah, 70m, 105m, and 144m will need the extra RAM in order to load.

Oh that's good to know!

The newest MPc I purchased only had 64mb. However, the seller said it didn't have a CF card, but when it arrived, there was 1gb cf card inside. So that was good..

AWW_NAWW wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:

diegoeskryptic wrote:Keygroup (Confirmed: need 192mb of RAM to use effectively)

I would agree with you but that would mean the Akai S950/1000/3000, Korg Triton Studio/Trinity, Ensoniq ASR-10, Emu ESI-4000/2000/32, Kurzweil K2600/2000, etc are all useless for keygroup sampling.......since they all use a fraction of 192 MB of memory....

Keygroup sampling is/can be used to reduce the size of your programs since you don't have to sample every key like I was doing before keygroups were possible on the 5K.

yeah but to get better expression you'd need to sample more than one key per octave dont you agree?

If you read my numerous posts on this subject, you will quickly see I was already sampling every key at different velocities to create sample programs while your peers were saying it was a waste of time and that the use of keygroups would make them sound better...which isn't the case.

Sampling every key IS a little excessive. There is a balance that one can find to get the most out of this feature. I do two per octave my self (keys C and F). To each his own

AWW_NAWW wrote:Sampling every key IS a little excessive. There is a balance that one can find to get the most out of this feature. I do two per octave my self (keys C and F). To each his own

Even sampling 'two per octave' is excessive when you can just hook up a MIDI cable and sequence the sound module/keyboard....or buy any of the sample libraries on the market that does it for you..created with the best converters/mastered by good engineers...but to each his own.