Ain't the 4000 outdated?

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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By McSmooth Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:18 am
renegadebliss wrote:
diegoeskryptic wrote:
DJ ALX wrote:the mpc4000 can sample at 96khz but i dont think that the mpc5000 can do that.

it can't. but it can load and read those files...

Yea. it can load and "read" those files... Are you SURE that its' playing those at 24bit/96khz or is it converting it to the
sample rate that is supported by the machine? If it's converting it, then it's playing it those rates, so any benefits are lost.
It just allows you to load it into your machine. A quick batch job on SoundForge does the same thing...

Oddly enough, most MPCs can play higher frequency rates than they are rated. Since they need to be able to easily pitch samples over a decent range, this makes sense. The 4k will gladly take 192k and higher. Of course none of that matters when you are playing it back at a lower clock rate (if your clock is at 44k, then you will only get 44k). You might get some benefit when you need to pitch down a sample to keep some extra resolution (a 96k file will play back an octave lower at 48k, whereas a 44k file will be at 22k).

If I had to choose between 24bit and 96k, it would always be 24bit. On the other hand, you can get results that will be about the same in 16 if you are working with quality normalized samples and tracking out properly. So I'm not going to sit here and argue it is necessary, but it sure nice to have the extra bandwidth to work with. The 4000 also runs in 48k, I use that a lot.

shimmyshimmy wrote:Hey, a bit offtopic but 96kHz means it is 96,000 sample units (?) per second. I mean when you go to sample/trim then one second is equal to 96,000 points ?

That is correct. Take a 1 second sample and you can see for yourself on the trim page how many samples are there.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By Askia Shaheed Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:06 am
I had to post this because I found it amusing. In Japan, you can trade used gear + cash for new gear. I saw an advertisement that you can exchange your used MPC 4000 + $2,240 in for a new MPC 5000. :shock:
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By mr_debauch Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:19 am
that sounds like pawnshops here in north america... for example... you could trade 2 fender strats for one fender strat... but if both strats are te same you cant trade one for one.

Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By firework Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:29 am
Askia Shaheed wrote:I had to post this because I found it amusing. In Japan, you can trade used gear + cash for new gear. I saw an advertisement that you can exchange your used MPC 4000 + $2,240 in for a new MPC 5000. :shock:



Yeah you are right, what retard would do that. I would not trade a 4000 for 5000 PERIOD!!! let alone adding money to the equation.

Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By renegadebliss Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:05 pm
Askia Shaheed wrote:I had to post this because I found it amusing. In Japan, you can trade used gear + cash for new gear. I saw an advertisement that you can exchange your used MPC 4000 + $2,240 in for a new MPC 5000. :shock:



That's Hilarious! The only way that I would do that is if it was the opposite. I'd be willing to trade my MPC 4000 for $2240 + an MPC 5000.
I could then turn around and purcahse a 4000 back...

Someones a good rip off artists...
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By AWW_NAWW Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:31 am
Askia Shaheed wrote:MPC 5000s still cost over $3000 in Japan.


renegadebliss wrote:Someones a good rip off artists...
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By LvngDead Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:30 pm
After months and months of research, I have come to the conclusion that the 5000 is actually a decent upgrade to the 4000. If you don't have the 4000, then definitely cop a 5000. If you have the 4000, then keep it and be happy.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By Blue Haze Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:10 am
For me the greatest upgrade is realizing my own creative potential programming the music in my head with the sequencer one understands well through a more solid understanding of music theory and greater development of my voicing and ear training.


I depend less on upgrades and machines and more on my ears. With that said processing functions like slicing, timestretching, effecting, and recording are added plus on the 5k indeed. But it is all means nothing compared to voicing music with the right tones, rhythm, mood, feel, and progression. Nothing can do that better than the human mind and spirit we got upgrade our creative hearts and ears.


Remember people make music not the machines.


Hey a sequencer= melodies, patterns, and chords, a sampler= instruments, drums, and voices how can one ever become obsolete? Only the processing comes faster that is up to the user not the machine.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By AWW_NAWW Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:25 am
Blue Haze wrote:For me the greatest upgrade is realizing my own creative potential programming the music in my head with the sequencer one understands well through a more solid understanding of music theory and greater development of my voicing and ear training.


I was listening to some old files I had on my 4ks harddrive that I had made back in 2004. I didnt realize how shitty my samples where then but I did know they didnt sound like what I wanted them to. Learning how to filter, what to filter, how to layer, why to layer, how to pan, whay to pan, what to pan /not pan, and knowning what I'm hearing at the time vs lnowing what I want to hear in my sound and getting it there. Time, reading, and practice have been my best assets over any piece of gear I have ever bought.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By DJ ALX Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:16 pm
AWW_NAWW wrote:I was listening to some old files I had on my 4ks harddrive that I had made back in 2004. I didnt realize how **** my samples where then but I did know they didnt sound like what I wanted them to. Learning how to filter, what to filter, how to layer, why to layer, how to pan, whay to pan, what to pan /not pan, and knowning what I'm hearing at the time vs lnowing what I want to hear in my sound and getting it there. Time, reading, and practice have been my best assets over any piece of gear I have ever bought.



Yes you sure need to know what you want your beatto sound like even before you start to sample.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By bomb beats Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:22 pm
Askia Shaheed wrote:I had to post this because I found it amusing. In Japan, you can trade used gear + cash for new gear. I saw an advertisement that you can exchange your used MPC 4000 + $2,240 in for a new MPC 5000. :shock:
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That does not make sense. Akai is blowing them out for under $2000!
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By bomb beats Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:32 pm
Askia Shaheed wrote:MPC 5000s still cost over $3000 in Japan.

Everything costs more in Japan. Stop blowing smoke.
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Re: Ain't the 4000 outdated?

By Askia Shaheed Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:37 am
bomb beats wrote:
Askia Shaheed wrote:MPC 5000s still cost over $3000 in Japan.

Everything costs more in Japan. Stop blowing smoke.

That is untrue. Traditionally, Roland, Yamaha, and Korg products were cheaper in Japan than they are in the US. Depending on the yen rate, these product are the same price or slightly more than in the US. Akai products use to be cheaper in Japan than in the US. Now they are quite expensive. The MPC 5000 is the first MPC I purchased in the US since 1997.
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