pulling minimum 100 samples from each record, that normal?

In my opinion there is no deal how much you chop up something, the final product is the thing i only care about. Beats can be as "simple" (and with that i mean not multichopped, more like phrase chopped) as A Tribe Called Quests, De La Souls, Commons and Main Sources beats, and I think thoose are the best. I like thoose smooth beats, with some nice loops, too much chops easily makes the beat choppy and not that smooth. But if you can make a smooth beat out of all theese samples, you are good, and I mean very good.

I think that more than 50% of the beatmaking is still finding the right samples and loops. The rest composing 'em together, skills can here be found when composing different loops/samples/songs to one beat. If you flip a sample alot or less, I dont care as long as the beat is good.

Well met

EDIT:
@ four eyes
Im totally with you...

I dont mind pulling tons of samples but theres no way im letting software do it for me. First off all the records I sample have to be listened to. Obviously if its wack off the bat (polka for example) we toss it, but I think a lot of guys just drop the needle on the begining and ending of a song and call it a day. Ill buy a stack of 5-10 records and sit on them for about a week. If im home doing HW or just relaxing on the net Ill hook up the PT01 next to the bed, put on the cans and listen away. When I find dope sh*t I take notes. The weekend comes and I start working on my weeks findings. My production is always about a week behind my digging/listening. The way I see it, if you going to chop up someone elses work at least have respect for them as an artist and listen to the d@mn song! So I see what you are doing but my question is....are you really involved with the process are you letting the software dictate what you are going to use?

@ion
And calling 1980's or later uninteresting is (up to you) all wrong imo... I got some very, very dope shit in my crates from the 80's. Same here as for every record, you have to dig for what you like, once you found something is gettin' easier by lookin' up labels and similar artists.

Im really wondering, do you listen to the songs you sample? Do you like the songs you sample? Or do you look for the sounds next into every producer is sampling nowadays? Find some music you really like and sample from it, put your style & soul in the music, cause I get the feelin' you dont when lettin' software chop some random record for you.

Well met

it up to u hope the beats come out incredible unless ur just making a sample cd

Yeah, it sounds like you're making a sample library.

Personally, I usually never load anything up that I've used before while I'm making a beat, so there are all kinds of methods.

whats wrong with you dude?

WHO said somethign about letting some stupidsoftware do the chopping???
i do it all myself man... and the outcome is pretty good

yes i first wanna make a small library i have a little production pause anyway...

anyway on what planet do you live mon? TELL ME what software can listen to a record for you and chop it up for you??? thats totaly space age!

four eyes wrote:because there's no point to what your doing. your just collecting random samples that probably are not usable anyway because your just letting some program chop them up instead of actually listening to the record and chopping out the good parts yourself.

and you act like your doing something so creative and everybody else just takes loops and puts them over other loops.

you don't know what your doing really. you're just wasting time. make a beat sometime.

you're bragging about taking 300 samples out of one record. big whoop. i could take 1000 out of a single record but it wouldnt matter because its pointless.

BTW i like the remix beat!

agreed 100% for HipHop beats
but my main task is not hiphop music these days

rotkiv wrote:In my opinion there is no deal how much you chop up something, the final product is the thing i only care about. Beats can be as "simple" (and with that i mean not multichopped, more like phrase chopped) as A Tribe Called Quests, De La Souls, Commons and Main Sources beats, and I think thoose are the best. I like thoose smooth beats, with some nice loops, too much chops easily makes the beat choppy and not that smooth. But if you can make a smooth beat out of all theese samples, you are good, and I mean very good.

I think that more than 50% of the beatmaking is still finding the right samples and loops. The rest composing 'em together, skills can here be found when composing different loops/samples/songs to one beat. If you flip a sample alot or less, I dont care as long as the beat is good.

Well met

EDIT:
@ four eyes
Im totally with you...

poundaproblem wrote:I dont mind pulling tons of samples but theres no way im letting software do it for me. First off all the records I sample have to be listened to. Obviously if its wack off the bat (polka for example) we toss it, but I think a lot of guys just drop the needle on the begining and ending of a song and call it a day. Ill buy a stack of 5-10 records and sit on them for about a week. If im home doing HW or just relaxing on the net Ill hook up the PT01 next to the bed, put on the cans and listen away. When I find dope sh*t I take notes. The weekend comes and I start working on my weeks findings. My production is always about a week behind my digging/listening. The way I see it, if you going to chop up someone elses work at least have respect for them as an artist and listen to the d@mn song! So I see what you are doing but my question is....are you really involved with the process are you letting the software dictate what you are going to use?

like i said earlier it takes me freakin HOURS to go through 3 records... no space age software here

rotkiv wrote:@ion
And calling 1980's or later uninteresting is (up to you) all wrong imo... I got some very, very dope **** in my crates from the 80's. Same here as for every record, you have to dig for what you like, once you found something is gettin' easier by lookin' up labels and similar artists.

Im really wondering, do you listen to the songs you sample? Do you like the songs you sample? Or do you look for the sounds next into every producer is sampling nowadays? Find some music you really like and sample from it, put your style & soul in the music, cause I get the feelin' you dont when lettin' software chop some random record for you.

Well met

actually i only get records anymore that i WILL contineusly listen to .... i listen to more music than i do music yes.
and i am digging like crazy belive me



and about the 80s like stated i meant the disco stuff etc... while i still enjoy some.. expecially he more funky disco stuff i have to say that i totaly dislike to sample from that really mostly synthetic sound, while the 70s where all analog including analog synth`s of course

yes jsut my opinion... didnt i say so?

ssnedden wrote:Yeah, it sounds like you're making a sample library.

Personally, I usually never load anything up that I've used before while I'm making a beat, so there are all kinds of methods.

exactly my man.... thats why i spent hours with only 2,3 records and really take time and listen to the songs completly and move the needle randomly because some melodies are only heared in a certain way if thier startpoint is somewhere right in the middle... while it can sound differently when you just et the song ply through from beginning


i asked for you guys opinion, yes, but no i dont think i am wasting my time.... and the is no freakin space age software that automatically chops a record is there?

what a joke would that be?

did you dudes really expect me to do that?

oh well the unpersonal by-taste of the virtual reality

ok... and to explain the software.(you could aslo visit thier web)

its the same liek inside the mpc beloved brethren

put needle on / find something / play it again on record and hit early enough rec before the phrase or hit starts / hit stop / now you can right away or later MANUALY fade it in fade it out cut silence parts loop etc etc whatever you want

dont tell me that doing this for a few hundred samples goes that fast with the mpc`s sample engine

another advantage is i have them on the mac from beginning, there i can NAME,SORT and STORE them 100000x faster than inside the mpc (renaming is really a pain)

and flop... space age cable USB to MPC


no other evil technologies envolved here









i just wanted to know what you think bout the multisampling approach

Ever heard music playing from another room and you listen to it and how it sounds totally different until you get to that room?

Well thats what I think ion is talking about when he mentioned putting the needle on random places of the record. There were many times when I heard some dope sh!t from the other room and as I get there I was listening to this song from a different angle and then BOOM, I recognize the song and it becomes average-joe.

Well that effect is taking place but you now can sample that different angle. Dig?

shit that aint sampling thats remixing....

but yeah if ur enjoying finding sounds go for it sounds like u not much of a beat maker ur one of them abstract lounge music types whit dudes who used to collect stamps and is really anal about making the process of music as complex as possible for no particular reason.

thats cool if it give us a sense of purpose and fulfilment i know peeps that spend all there time getting new equipment organising their studio arranging there files but its all a deflection from actually making tracks.

an thats fine if u got the time an money/inclination to do that but i came to this with the intention of making beats that im feeling and that capture the spark i got when i was listening to incredilbe shit grew up listening to.

so its different perspectives but yeah u could prolly sell sound libraries.

uhm tho i dont like your approach at all, i have to admit there is some paradox going on and i find myself unable to coomplete various music projects... oh well but thats another psychologic ting imo

i do this sampling so i can load up my mpc with a good stock.. and have a few new song skecthes in my head allready base on some of those... just have to finish a project before

i dont do ambient / lounge nope

you seem to think that hihop is such an old genre? : )

anyway... sorry dudes but somtimes peeps here seem very narrow minded to me (...)