pulling minimum 100 samples from each record, that normal?

four eyes wrote:because there's no point to what your doing. your just collecting random samples that probably are not usable anyway because your just letting some program chop them up instead of actually listening to the record and chopping out the good parts yourself.

and you act like your doing something so creative and everybody else just takes loops and puts them over other loops.

you don't know what your doing really. you're just wasting time. make a beat sometime.

you're bragging about taking 300 samples out of one record. big whoop. i could take 1000 out of a single record but it wouldnt matter because its pointless.

I have to agree with Four Eyes on this one. You're being lazy and at the same time, too much of a techno-geek. Sure, alot of sampled hip hop is a loop with a funk drum beat over the top, but then again, alot of the dopest tunes EVER were done this way. Think "Resurrection" by Common, "Watch Out Now" by The Beatnuts, "Full Clip" by Gangstarr, "Represent" by Nas.

You shouldn't be using software as a substitute for listening to a record properly, for the dopest sounds. It's great you're using software to chop up your samples into hundreds of pieces, but I think that's just a little OTT. And taking 100 samples from a single record just isn't neccessary.

Personally, you're being narrow-minded thinking that what most guys do here is old hat. Sorry, but if you listen to hip hop and understand how it's done, you'll quickly discover that your method is pointless. In the end, what have you got? A load of sounds that probably mean nothing. All you seem to be doing is compiling a library of random sounds that you won't know what to do with.

What type of music is it that you're making anyway?

read the full thread... i am getting really tierd from repeating myself.... I DO ALL THE SAMPLING/ CHOPPING not any software..

while i have my influences in all the years of Hiphop iam not doing really hiphop beats anymore since several years.... its jsut too **** up for me today.... i still dig a lot of beats you guys do here but i cant stand all the rap - ish and the resulting missinformation and brainwash anymore.. its not used in a good way mostly

of course there are still superb hiphop artists out there....

that said, i am doing Dub Music... i dont know if you really know what i am talking about because a lot of dub today is from europe mostly UK though, and i dont know bout too many similar heavy dub sounds from USA... but probably they are there as well..

ok... so maybe knowing Dub is kinda based on reggae, you will understand that i dont want to limit myself to GIVEN melodies and chords etc...... i have my own song idea ,own bassline own chords etc... and i want to combines that with samples because i love sampling and the sound of soem crazy samples

but not the other way around.... always building every track on base of sample/loop

get it?

Dolo wrote:

four eyes wrote:because there's no point to what your doing. your just collecting random samples that probably are not usable anyway because your just letting some program chop them up instead of actually listening to the record and chopping out the good parts yourself.

and you act like your doing something so creative and everybody else just takes loops and puts them over other loops.

you don't know what your doing really. you're just wasting time. make a beat sometime.

you're bragging about taking 300 samples out of one record. big whoop. i could take 1000 out of a single record but it wouldnt matter because its pointless.

I have to agree with Four Eyes on this one. You're being lazy and at the same time, too much of a techno-geek. Sure, alot of sampled hip hop is a loop with a funk drum beat over the top, but then again, alot of the dopest tunes EVER were done this way. Think "Resurrection" by Common, "Watch Out Now" by The Beatnuts, "Full Clip" by Gangstarr, "Represent" by Nas.

You shouldn't be using software as a substitute for listening to a record properly, for the dopest sounds. It's great you're using software to chop up your samples into hundreds of pieces, but I think that's just a little OTT. And taking 100 samples from a single record just isn't neccessary.

Personally, you're being narrow-minded thinking that what most guys do here is old hat. Sorry, but if you listen to hip hop and understand how it's done, you'll quickly discover that your method is pointless. In the end, what have you got? A load of sounds that probably mean nothing. All you seem to be doing is compiling a library of random sounds that you won't know what to do with.

What type of music is it that you're making anyway?

Ion, are you talking about DubStep? People like Benga, Skream, Loefah, Space Ape, Digital Mystikz? Guys like that? Yeah, it's a totally UK genre, having been born out of South London a few years ago.

You are right, much of it is based on reggae, but I think it's the next step in terms of a mash-up between reggae and electronica. All that sub-bass, synths, weird sounding ish. It's dope, but using an MPC might not be the best tool for DubStep!

Me and a few guys I know all tried creating some using our 1ks some time ago. It's difficult, believe me! We found a really good free software demo called AudioMulch which is good for fukking with samples. Check it out as it might be of use:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Mixers-Synthesizers/AudioMulch.shtml

nooooooo man NO DUBSTEP I DONT LIKE IT AT ALL.. has no vibe... only dark tahts boring for me personaly


i mean real dub from 1960s Lee perry to 1980s-1990s iration steppas aba shanti i , jah shaka, to 2000+ dozens of underground soundsystems

but i belive that dubstep isnt necessary easy to produce... a lot of processing there but still the outcome is very synthetic digital sounding.... not my cup

If you're looking to produce "Dub" music, shouldn't you be using real instruments then...

well a real bass and maybe guit would be good (bassplayer i have sometimes) but the rest... not necessary
for roots dub like 60s 70s yes but in the 80s it went killer digital (check some 80s dancehall like barrington levy)
90s build on that but had some reggae vibe back (bass guitar)

and today imo its all open to experiment... i heared some (not very common) good mixtures of these genres with a hiphop beat production combination, and i definitly like what i heared and since i have these backgrounds myself i want to move from my now all dub (dark not roots) solo project to such a combination...... got me an mpc and i totaly love this machine.... i can do quite natural record-sample based sounding drums wich go to reel to reel here
or i can get some vintage 80s drummashine sound with an mpc easily...but usualy dot go for that

for the combination i speak about check for instance this tune:

you dont have to agree to their message... just focuse on the production
beat and bass have some relative to hiphop imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Cmt8E1NYI

enjoy

jpeg wrote:but yeah if ur enjoying finding sounds go for it sounds like u not much of a beat maker ur one of them abstract lounge music types whit dudes who used to collect stamps and is really anal about making the process of music as complex as possible for no particular reason.

thats cool if it give us a sense of purpose and fulfilment i know peeps that spend all there time getting new equipment organising their studio arranging there files but its all a deflection from actually making tracks.

an thats fine if u got the time an money/inclination to do that but i came to this with the intention of making beats that im feeling and that capture the spark i got when i was listening to incredilbe **** grew up listening to.

so its different perspectives but yeah u could prolly sell sound libraries.

its dope if ur doing sub cos u just need some random abstract sounds so that would work but it always find it funny how peeps justify some wack shit by saying they are being super creative, lol.

ion wrote:oh damn... to prevent confusion... dudeeeeeessssss... i am not smapling directly into the MPC because i do so much sampling these days

i use a soft called WireTap Studio... very professional and for mac..

its just too much hassle to sample this amount through the mpc itself...

the samples getting chopped ligthing fast in the WireTap and go perfectly organized and named through USB to the mpc

i figured thats the easiest and most efficent way to do it for me

i assumed this was some kind of autochopping software because to say that you get 500 samples out of an album even albums you dont like manually with regular software instead of an mpc is still an absurdly insane waste of time.

my mistake on that one detail. but the rest of what i said still stands.

OH SHIT HOMEY I JUST PULLED 23429240980346.3453034534*23423526^234234 SAMPLES!!! SAMPLES!!!

risch wrote:OH **** HOMEY I JUST PULLED 23429240980346.3453034534*23423526^234234 SAMPLES!!! SAMPLES!!!

uhm thats what i meant..... narrow.....

i said in the beginning i have no needs of myking myself important people... really... i rather wanted to ask your opinions on the approach of multisampling etc.... if i am wasting my time..

i think i made my point clear no need for your HOMEY-shish mon...

Ion, you asked for our opinions, whether pulling a sh*t load of samples from a single record is "normal". Now that people have told you you're wasting your time, you're telling them that they're narrow-minded, or that they don't understand what you're doing.

If you didn't want criticism, don't put yourself up for it. If you're getting results from doing what you're doing, and it's helping you to complete projects (albeit several years after most of us might have come up with an album's worth of beats), then that's great for you.

Good luck. I hope all of this manual multi-sampling isn't stopping you from actually creating something though.

that whats im saying the multi sample could be a cover to keep u from making beats u know ur shit is wack so might be worth looking into that.

Dolo

right! after all i am willing to discuss, thats why i posted it here.. fact is that many of the replies where based on a wrong understanding of what i am doing (letting software do the work)
seen?



jpeg.. the point is correct like i allready agreed

i know my shit is wack? no man i dont know about that

tell me more

CAN I BARROW YOUR EAR FOR A WHILE, I GOT ALOT OF RECORDS THAT HAVE SAMES ON THEM,

why would YOU buy sample packs if YOU can pull that many samples off a record.

the man with the golden ear

I know. Fu*k sample packs ion man. That sh*t is for jpeg. Stick with the vinyl.