pulling minimum 100 samples from each record, that normal?

id use both certain sounds u get off sample packs some shit off vinly use whats available

ion wrote:Dolo

right! after all i am willing to discuss, thats why i posted it here.. fact is that many of the replies where based on a wrong understanding of what i am doing (letting software do the work)
seen?


jpeg.. the point is correct like i allready agreed

i know my **** is wack? no man i dont know about that

tell me more

Yeah, even after explaining what you are doing (for the benefit of those who got it wrong), I think the sentiment is still pretty much the same.

To go thru one record and pull off multiple samples (100+) seems like alot of work. More time consuming than is neccessary, and if anything, probably rapes the hell out of any creativity you might have.

You might think that you're being creative with this approach, but who else do you know that uses this technique? Nobody really comes to mind that's recorded a successful (even underground) release, that's for sure.

If you're going to go thru all the trouble of sampling records in such a way, why not just buy more instruments, learn them, and play what you're trying to sample? It'll probably save you alot of time, and you might end up actually creating something.

As for the YouTube link you posted to that reggae song (or whatever genre it is), I strongly suspect that it was all live instrumentation. Growing up in the Caribbean, alot of the reggae artists I knew (or, that my family knew) were using mainly instruments and not samplers. Some FX units for delay and basic looping of sounds, but that was it.

Even after all of your explanations (as poorly typed and punctuated as they are), I still have no idea what you are trying to achieve. When you do create a beat, make sure you post it up for us to listen to - it'll help us understand what the hell you're doing.

Who knows, you might be doing something that we could all learn from?

yes i l stick to the plate thats fo sure


Dolo, ya i may try to not going so much into detail when sampling... i just wanna have my records sampled correctly and complete when i do it.... so when i am building something later i have everything i need and dont have to go back and for...

i know that for tradtional dub and reggae its a live instrument thing man... i also use some but i am not a complete band... forget that approach

i have a track on i space see signature

its nothing from recently btu at least you have an idea what kind of music i did so so far.
but this tune is not sample based inthe manner of sampling from records...

i am working on a quality version of it... tahts why i only sample these days and not do some new beats... i dont like unfinished buisness

peace

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Ion on everything with this subject. I don't see how he is close minded when he's taking advantage of technology. Isn't being close minded when you ask JJ for more and more updates, and all most people do it sample a loop and throw some wack drums on it?? It's 2009, and music has never sounded worse!
Some of the most classic material may have been made this way, but folks need to step it up on the production tip. It's not 1989 anymore, were 20 years past that. If you like to make loop/drum type music and your happy with it, then stick to what you know. Taking 100 samples from a record may be extreme, but Ion is making some nice music, so it's working for him. Instead of schittin' on the guy, lets see how/why he's doing it? Just because his process isn't like yours, doesn't make it wrong, or stupid. I've learned stuff from kids that knew nothing about making music on the MPC. Sometimes my niece will hit the pads or trigger samples in a way that it sparks some creativity. I know there has been times where I only grabbed 1 or 2 samples from a record and been disappointed. Schit brotha, tell me how I can get 100 samples out of some wack records! What are you doing to them samples afterward? What gear are you running them through? I'm all ears! This is the type of schit I wanna know about. Y'all ain't tired of the redundant "HELP! I can't sample?" questions, and the "RTFM" responses on this site??

Holy crap! As I am WELL late on this thread, I'll just go back to the original post.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pulling that number of samples from a record, especially if you're getting creative with them. As someone who doesn't use his MPC for making whack hip-hop or 'beats' I am all about creative use of samples and sounds; interesting records, too, often have a bundle of stuff that you might not think to use just because you're farming for complete hooks or breaks.

So, er, yeah. Sample lots. Don't make beats and leave it at that.

nobody is saying people should just loop and thats it.

whats being put into question is whether those 100+ samples off a record are even useable and why waste time making a library of sounds and then find they are useless because the sound in the sample is not isolated enough to be used.

its pretty much common sense. anybody who digs or listens through records knows you're not gonna find that many samples, phrases, melodies, etc. on EVERY record and find any use for them.

"its pretty much common sense. anybody who digs or listens through records knows you're not gonna find that many samples, phrases, melodies, etc. on EVERY record and find any use for them."

I agree, but if it can be done, lets find out how he's doing it. Most the time, I listen to records and don't sample anything. I like to sample sounds that are interesting to me, but maybe Ion is listening to records in a way that we are not. I thought I was breaking down songs fairly well.. I listen to kicks, snares, hats, bass, etc. everything, but obviously ol boy is getting a lot deeper than I am. All i'm saying is lets see what he's doing.. if it's wack, then we can give him the MPC-forum beatdown!

Check out the beat he has on his Myspace page. It's pretty cool - but to me it sounds like actual instruments rather than samples. Could be wrong though!

ion's the man.

whats wrong with you dudes? this guy seems to be creative in the way he samples his shit and all you guys can do is **** about it because his ways are unorthodox? why not support the guy and see what he has to say? i know that if it was madlib saying this shit ya'll would be ears and dickriding the man... try to be open minded damn!

one day you will understand

uuuh wasnt here for a while

four eyes wrote:one day you will understand

but yes that "EVERY record" was wrong put, sorry... thats of course bull
but check some indian Funk mon, you will maybe notice how many breaks and different riffs there are in just one single song!



thanks for the support dudes!!!

Dolo thank you, glad you kinda like it.... its an unfinished tune but i like it as well.... and yes you are right THAT is NOT sample based in the manner of sampling from records etc.... its totaly samplebased again on the other hand since the soundsources are "samples" mostly...




hola Logic-user i am one of that kind as well **** profools



roxstar, very much enjoyed reading ur reply.... really good point of view, i have to remind myself to such thinking more often... like that thing with your niece hitting the pads in a totaly different way different from how your mind got used to it etc ..good point!!!

also to you i can recomend indian bollywood funk if you ask me for a record with really lots of samples....
but also the DOLLAR OST by Q. Jones.
common guys, most of you will know that one.... that record is FULL of samples
but again to prevent confusion i got that many samples out including multiple sampling of good stabs and including maybe several error samples taht i did not erase etc



haha about the 2009 and the situation of music i could not agree more with you man!!!
ok actually thats not funny but yes..... what a flood of crap.
sometimes i wish the world would have stayed in a 70s-space-age-woody-allen-movie kind of state

oh well.. or maybe not

peace

Of course you find a sampling technique that fit you the best. Ion, ur shit is good in what you do, but that is not my type of music, and the music I make, wich is very jazz influenced feel good hip hop (for example A Tribe Called Quest, Main Source, De La Soul, Common (90's)). I like those 5 seconds loops and when its not too choppy. Like A Tribe Called Quests "Jazz (We've Got)" or the chorus of "Butter" really activates thousands of feelings in me. I look for loops on records, (never too famous records/labels). Maybe a kinda unnecessary post but just wanted to say that there is no rules how to sample. Just make sure you do it in the way you like it the best.

And you guys who is sayin' that the game has changed and that you cant look for longer loops anymore, your totally wrong. You can't imagine how many records there are out there, how many genres, how many countries, that are just waiting for be sampled for the very first time.

"and all most people do it sample a loop and throw some wack drums on it??"
I actually think that you know better than your hands are typing in this case. I wont be dissin', but sayin' that you just make yourself look stupid.

There has never been a good "sample a loop and throw some drums" beat. NEVER... I get the feelin' that you think that is a poor and bad way to sample, if not, excuse me . But you know, thoose loops beats seems so much easier than they're. There's is at least as hard making a "sample a loop and throw some drums" beat as "chopping a record into plenty of pieces and pushing the buttons".

And if I missunderstood you, im sorry...

Well met

"and all most people do it sample a loop and throw some wack drums on it??"
I actually think that you know better than your hands are typing in this case. I wont be dissin', but sayin' that you just make yourself look stupid."

Please explain? If you haven't heard an original song that realized, "Damn, all _(INSERT NAME HERE)_____ did was loop that schyt up!" then I don't know what world you live in. I receive a revelation like this almost every time I visit the record shop.
I think that as a producer, not realizing that people produce music like this made yourself look stupid.

"There has never been a good "sample a loop and throw some drums" beat. NEVER"

Huh??? Are you serious??? Listen to Madlib, Dilla, schyt, listen to Hip-Hop music from any producer, and you will find a plethora of beats like this! Where do you live duke? I need to knock on your door and get you out the house, or maybe buy you a pocket radio and a television. You've been missing out on a lot of good music! haha