Maschine...

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:anyhow, I dont believe for a second that there wont be a moment when you will need to look at the computer screen... or else there wouldn't even be anything to look at on the screen. Some complex things require a screen.

Whaddaya mean you don't believe it? Just watch the videos. Both the official NI videos or the youtube ones from the first post of this thread. They both mention that you can do everything without needing to look at a screen. And if you look at how they designed the hardware, you realize this is true. You get everything you need to see accessible in the two LCD screens on the hardware, even audio waveform for sample editing. You can literally close the lid on the laptop while you work with the whole thing.

The software on the computer screen shows you more information such as patterns, scenes, kits, groups...etc. should you need it, to be more helpful but nothing is there that will stop you from just using the controller. This really is one of the big things about Maschine. It really works like a self-contained hardware. I think the fact that the software itself resides on the computer thus having to be connected via usb to a computer is what's throwing people off as to what this really is.

I think his point is that they don't just have a GUI for no reason.....which is what I think AWW_NAWW is saying also.......the GUI is there to make life easier in certain situations, ie the note nudge editing.

mr_debauch wrote:yeah and also... if you want to access stuff from your external hard drive you have no choice but to click the "disk" button on the screen since there is no dedicated button for that on the controller.

I'm not sure why it would matter if the hard drive is internal or external. You'd just press the Browse button on the controller to navigate to your samples the same way no matter where they are.

mr_debauch wrote:Also, I somehow dont believe this is the type of DAW to multitrack record and master music. but cubase can take VST pluggins so... maybe it doesn't need to.

Not sure where you got that idea from because no one has said that Maschine is a DAW. You can either use it as a standalone program or as a plugin in any DAW. However, knowing Native Instruments, I'm excited to see which direction they take this in because it is very possible that it will mature into a very capable DAW. I mean, it already has it own take on the best feature of Ableton Live, namely the Session View and does it better, specifically the ability to record automation in clips/patterns which Live infuriatingly still can't do.

emptysea wrote:

ok, so you got me there... I didn't just see the tutorial video on how the guy had to push the disk button with the mouse to access his external hard drive.


and you are absolutely correct, the maschine is not a digital audio workstation.... good arguement to nothing at all....


I have a pile of native instruments so you dont have to defend your favourite product from me... I am not dissing it.



this guy is to the NI maschine what askia is to the 5000.

mr_debauch wrote:

this guy is to the NI maschine what askia is to the 5000.

might be the same person

Upright, yes that's one of the points I was trying to make as well.

Emptysea, Don't get me wrong this maSchine looks pretty good from what I have seen of it. However I'm not sold on it replacing my MPC or the rack(s) (that I dont have yet) based on from what I have seen of it. For that I'd have to get behind the wheel my self for a week or two.

are the 15 gigs of sounds available separately? or maybe just all the drum kits? ebay maybe? i'll be keeping mpc.

i haven't read through most of this but am compelled to say: any thread that's titled along the lines of 'bye bye mpc...' in an mpc forum.. is quite green.

singing the praises of different tech is great- getting excited about different tools- great- pronouncing said new tech Over (in this case) a decades-proven bit of kit is sounding a tad anxious.

and, what Is this obsession with finding The One perfect machine- like it has Got to only be a Single unit, and that there is only enough room in a studio for that ONE item (nonsense)

how about we all use what we need to make the music we want to make, and let the shop talk follow that action.

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proppa wrote:i haven't read through most of this but am compelled to say: any thread that's titled along the lines of 'bye bye mpc...' in an mpc forum.. is quite green.

yeah.. looks like this thread might turn into another beat kangz fiasco

emptysea wrote:

MCL wrote:@emptysea

"Maschine's pads can play samples like a keyboard. APC40 can't. "

for info - from Akaipro.com:

The clip pads send MIDI notes so they can technically be played to play a synth or drum machine in Live.

APC40 and Maschine are two very different tools, although Maschine does offer most of the features of APC40 while the reverse isn't true. While it's true that APC's pads can send midi notes, what I meant to say about playing samples like a keyboard is that Maschine works like hardware where you have a dedicated function that lets you load a sample and you can play melodies with it like a keyboard. APC40 as a product requires a separate product (Ableton Live, which would be a given) and even then you have to load the built-in simpler sampler or similar plugin to achieve that. Not to mention the APC40 pads are not velocity sensitive.

I know

Seems like alot of hype for a product that simply increases your workrate.

i dont think that anyone will ever be sayin bye bye mpc. im gonna have to say its not goin anywhere

MY BIATCH ass wife will go before my MPC 2500 .The dirty little heroin whore!!!!!!!

^^^Damn, the pimp got some wifey issues!! Just keep your pimp hand strong homie!

Jonestown ^^^^^^ Will do I RULE HER WITH A IRON FIST AM A TYRANT HAHAHA pimp da hoe

lol cosmic you a crack up man

Explicit- wrote:Fuk making beats on the computer... I dont even like tracking out my beats to PT.

haha words of truth