Maschine...

The Machinist wrote:

Coz wrote:You know i'm sensitive about my periods so stop the disses Mach!

Check your PMS....err....PM.

clint246clint wrote:Old news posted in the wrong place.

We've had a thread on this product since January.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=108120

dude you know of an older thread, that's fuucking amazing

^^^^Oooohhh!!! Now this dudes flaming the mod??? Hey Clint, Time to drop the ban hammer,lmao..

In before the lock, beeyotch!!!

the only thing that separates Maschine from other midi controllers is that it has its own dedicated software to use with the hardware controller.

The others like the trigger finger, MPD's, and the such dont have a dedicated piece of software, is intended for use w/ many other software and people have to set them up on their own.

Many companies are coming out w/ their own way of integrating their products w/ certain software like

the Korg Pad Kontrol w/ Native Kontrol:
Ableton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyKZBhtSQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIrOmo_ ... re=related

Reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIdRLMrG ... re=related

Novation has that automap feature also that comes w/ its products.

Also what about Lemur????

the only thing that i see thats so "SPECIAL" about Maschine is that it offers screens to display the data and some other little features and THATS IT.

Also ive never noticed any latency when im only using my hardware. just midi them up and go.

When my laptop comes into the picture, than latency is an issue.....

Recording, using controllers, or connecting an MPC TO OR ON A COMPUTER, is where latency is found.

Plus i rarely see people use asio4all.....most audio interfaces come w/ True ASIO 2.0 drivers,WDM, or Direct X.
To me asio4ll is a piece of shit.

they miss a big chance... let maschine works stand alone, without any computer connected....
otherwise i prefer to stay on mpc....

this maschine looks dope as hell... Though it also makes me think of
Damu the Fudgemunk and what inspiration it gives me when i see him
sat in his lab churning out sick beats on the MPC 2000

Ok I am now thinking about bpm,looks dope. I am leaning towards bpm more. I dont wanna get rid of my 2000xl

what would be the sickest
imagin the bpm in a hardware form just like how it looks on the box but on the screen imagin how **** sick of a machine that would be
...but make it more hardware then a midi controller...ya know with that big ass screen have some kind of intergrated DAW ,man im callin motu haha
now that would def give the mpc a run for the money

sick i cant beleive they did put this out as a hardware unit they had to of thought about it
imagin tho this as a hardware unit with the INTERNAL bpm daw...sick!
i need this!

64hz wrote:I thought we actually had some users on these forums who own a maschine? Whats ur opnion guys?

Are you referring to me, Doc?

You know I like it, but Maschine is not perfect yet.

Not everything can be done without the mouse. Selecting single notes and changing note lengths for example. Zooming in and out. Basically I only want to look at the Maschine software and use the Maschine controller, not the mouse, to operate Maschine.

The sample editor needs to be changed too imo. The way it is now interrupts the flow too much. http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post509632

And I had to replace my old PC (P4 2.8 ), because it couldn't handle Maschine very well. It does run well on my new PC.

But even with its imperfections I'll keep using Maschine to make my beats. For example: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7576419 Like I said in a different thread, the thing I like most about Maschine is that it handles like hardware and has the pros of software. The upcoming 1.1 update looks promising and I'm confident NI will keep improving it.

Maschine vs MPC? Nah, I think they can coexist, so why not look at it like Maschine + MPC?

its funny how everybody wants an all in one machine but they will still end up putting it into a computer.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7qdUZf ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjxPQfluDF0

EDIT: its funny how GURU and Battery were hardly mentioned even though they have been out for awhile before Maschine and BPM, but than again just my 2 cents .

^^^^^^
yup makes sense.
Now im looking into guru,ahahahaa

DJEther wrote:its funny how everybody wants an all in one machine but they will still end up putting it into a computer.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7qdUZf ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjxPQfluDF0

EDIT: its funny how GURU and Battery were hardly mentioned even though they have been out for awhile before Maschine and BPM, but than again just my 2 cents .

the people who didn't think of those are the people who buy stuff because of how many gigs of prechopped sampled that are included.


To be honest... I like the look of this maschine, but frankly it wont replace anything. What does it offer that hasn't been done besides a more featured note repeat. Also 8 banks... big deal.



I think the main difference between this machine controller and typical USB controllers is.. this is not just an input device, but an in/out device. It has a display that gives you info from the computer....

cool, definately the right step in the right direction...... however they should have went all the way and offered some sort of pci card with the machine for users of tower based computers as maybe some sort of work around the usb latency bit.

Lotuz wrote:.

Maschine vs MPC? Nah, I think they can coexist, so why not look at it like Maschine + MPC?

Now that makes sense.

DJEther wrote:the only thing that separates Maschine from other midi controllers is that it has its own dedicated software to use with the hardware controller.

The others like the trigger finger, MPD's, and the such dont have a dedicated piece of software, is intended for use w/ many other software and people have to set them up on their own.
...
the only thing that i see thats so "SPECIAL" about Maschine is that it offers screens to display the data and some other little features and THATS IT.

Other than being the first ever hardware to:

- offer Korg Electribe style hardware step sequencer with visual and tactile feedback that integrates seemlessly with a software DAW setup.

- offer a clip matrix controller mode for Ableton Live before Akai's APC40 has even hit the market.

- works just like hardware should without starting at a computer screen for the most part if you want, with the obvious advantages of a dedicated hardware workflow, yet also benefit from the obvious advantages of the power and flexibility of the computer.

Those three features alone for me is enough to make it desirable.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with customizing your own setup with generic midi controllers and clever software midi hacking and routing. But hardware owners know how integral a dedicated controller and software designed to work together is to the hardware workflow.

Maschine is not just competition to other hardwares like MPCs and Electribes. On the software side, with the recently announced 1.1 update, it already has the potential to be serious competition to one of industry standard Ableton Live's main niche market in the software area, users of Live's session view. Maschine's own session view-style software lets you do pattern based automation recording, which is like the equivalent of recording clip automation in Live's session view, which Live still cannot do due to the limitations in the code architecture of Live, even after its 8th major release. That's a sore point for many Ableton users who otherwise love to use Live's session view.

Maschine is what you get when you make a hardware that combined the best parts of the MPC and the Electribe, that came with a dedicated software which also happens to be Native Instrument's own answer to Ableton Live's session view (and better at doing simple things like automation recording which Live's session view still can't do.)

1985 wrote:Ok I am now thinking about bpm,looks dope. I am leaning towards bpm more. I dont wanna get rid of my 2000xl

DJEther wrote:its funny how GURU and Battery were hardly mentioned even though they have been out for awhile before Maschine and BPM, but than again just my 2 cents .

I don't understand why people keep mentioning the likes of BPM, GURU, and Battery into this thread about Maschine. BPM, GURU, and Battery are just drum programming software only with no dedicated hardware. That difference is huge to most people. There is no way any of them can compete with a MPC or Maschine. What's new here is that Native Instrument seems to have achieved a magnificent job of creating a beast of Maschine which is a combination of the best parts of Ableton Live (done better) with the hardware feel and workflow of MPC and Electribe.

The initial feedback from Maschine owners I'm reading all over the internet is that it's the most fun people have had in a long time and the best musical purchase ever made...etc. and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

Still not knocking MPCs which are what I started out with. As I've said, MPCs are legendary hardware that deserves respect and I've learned a lot from owning them.