Maschine...

Lotuz wrote:

Doglamp wrote:FL Studio > Maschine.

This comparison doesn't make sense. Maschine is not a DAW. And FL Studio doesn't come with a MIDI controller.

Yeah, some people are not getting what's special about Maschine and other hardware like MPC and Electribe. Their operating software is integrated with the hardware. There is no integrated hardware for FL Studio. FL Studio only exists as software and configuring a generic midi controller to it is never going to achieve the type of 'instrument-like' workflow you get with hardware like Maschine and MPC.

Might as well compare it to a drum set or pots and pans. They're also "tools to make beats."

vibewithTy wrote:

Lotuz wrote:Maschine and the MPC are very similar, so I consider that a fair comparison. Especially when Maschine will be able to sequence other MIDI instruments (upcoming 1.1 update).

What else is planned for this update? Timestretch i hope (thats the only feature keeping me from copping this)

Here are the details: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=80682

Timestretch isn't mentioned, but you can do this with a wave editor for the time being.

emptysea wrote:Might as well compare it to a drum set or pots and pans. They're also "tools to make beats."

Lotuz wrote:This comparison doesn't make sense.

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FL Studio > Pots and pans > Maschine.

emptysea wrote:

Lotuz wrote:

Doglamp wrote:FL Studio > Maschine.

This comparison doesn't make sense. Maschine is not a DAW. And FL Studio doesn't come with a MIDI controller.

Yeah, some people are not getting what's special about Maschine and other hardware like MPC and Electribe. Their operating software is integrated with the hardware. There is no integrated hardware for FL Studio. FL Studio only exists as software and configuring a generic midi controller to it is never going to achieve the type of 'instrument-like' workflow you get with hardware like Maschine and MPC.

Might as well compare it to a drum set or pots and pans. They're also "tools to make beats."

you always make it seem like configuring the midi controller with the software is some sort of downside. What do you think you will have to do with the maschine when you buy it? do you think that you will take it out of the box and it will just work as soon as the wrapper is taken off? You are gonna have to install it and do configurations aswell.

once you have a midi controller set up on fl studio or reason (depending on if it is a semi-known brand name controller) it works and you never have to configure anything again. even some novation controllers come with an app that automatically does this for you in some software.

even take the axiom49 for example with reason... you go into the options and choose "generic m-audio keyboard" and click ok... then everything including the sliders are all working.

mr_debauch wrote:you always make it seem like configuring the midi controller with the software is some sort of downside. What do you think you will have to do with the maschine when you buy it? do you think that you will take it out of the box and it will just work as soon as the wrapper is taken off? You are gonna have to install it and do configurations aswell.

once you have a midi controller set up on fl studio or reason (depending on if it is a semi-known brand name controller) it works and you never have to configure anything again. even some novation controllers come with an app that automatically does this for you in some software.

even take the axiom49 for example with reason... you go into the options and choose "generic m-audio keyboard" and click ok... then everything including the sliders are all working.

Nope. That's not what I'm talking about at all. It almost seems like some of you are intentionally misreading what's been posted just to hate on it.

I'm talking about workflow. There is a difference between playing something that works like an instrument (MPC, Maschine) and something that feels like you're using a program with a makeshift solution (software + generic midi controller). Anyone who have used hardware like MPC and Electribe, and compared it to using a computer software with a generic midi controller like MPD, triggerfinger, or padkontrol, will know the difference that I'm talking about.

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:you always make it seem like configuring the midi controller with the software is some sort of downside. What do you think you will have to do with the maschine when you buy it? do you think that you will take it out of the box and it will just work as soon as the wrapper is taken off? You are gonna have to install it and do configurations aswell.

once you have a midi controller set up on fl studio or reason (depending on if it is a semi-known brand name controller) it works and you never have to configure anything again. even some novation controllers come with an app that automatically does this for you in some software.

even take the axiom49 for example with reason... you go into the options and choose "generic m-audio keyboard" and click ok... then everything including the sliders are all working.

Nope. That's not what I'm talking about at all. It almost seems like some of you are intentionally misreading what's been posted just to hate on it.

I'm talking about workflow. There is a difference between playing something that works like an instrument (MPC, Maschine) and something that feels like you're using a program with a makeshift solution (software + generic midi controller). Anyone who have used hardware like MPC and Electribe, and compared it to using a computer software with a generic midi controller like MPD, triggerfinger, or padkontrol, will know the difference that I'm talking about.

umm.. I OWN an mpc, an electribe, and most of the DAW's mentioned in this thread. I know what I am talking about. When I am in reason.. my axiom faders control the faders on the mixer.. or if I go to a synth they control faders on the synth and the knobs act in the same way.

Sure, a proprietary controller will work better on that one specific program.. no dispute there...... but dont fool yourself. once a generic controller is set up it works fine.

in fl studio you can right click almost ANY and EVERY button, knob, function, parameter.. what ever.. you right click it and pick assign, then touch a key or pad or knob, or slider, or what ever on the controller and it works right there and then. The cool part is... fl studio has 10 million knobs and buttons and my controler doesn't so I can pick which specific ones I want to have assigned to where... top it off, I can assign an on/off virtual button to a fader or a rotary knob on the controller if I want to.


once you develop your own workflow with what you are going to use and get it down with what hardware you own... the workflow becomes solid.

same thing as the maschine, once you learn their proprietary workflow then you got a solid thing going.


my question is... latency. I still haven't made it to our music store where the guy said they planned on setting up the maschine for the display.

mr_debauch wrote:umm.. I OWN an mpc, an electribe, and most of the DAW's mentioned in this thread. I know what I am talking about. When I am in reason.. my axiom faders control the faders on the mixer.. or if I go to a synth they control faders on the synth and the knobs act in the same way.

Sure, a proprietary controller will work better on that one specific program.. no dispute there...... but dont fool yourself. once a generic controller is set up it works fine.

in fl studio you can right click almost ANY and EVERY button, knob, function, parameter.. what ever.. you right click it and pick assign, then touch a key or pad or knob, or slider, or what ever on the controller and it works right there and then. The cool part is... fl studio has 10 million knobs and buttons and my controler doesn't so I can pick which specific ones I want to have assigned to where... top it off, I can assign an on/off virtual button to a fader or a rotary knob on the controller if I want to.


once you develop your own workflow with what you are going to use and get it down with what hardware you own... the workflow becomes solid.

same thing as the maschine, once you learn their proprietary workflow then you got a solid thing going.


my question is... latency. I still haven't made it to our music store where the guy said they planned on setting up the maschine for the display.

latency was never an issue with Maschine since it has to do with people's individual computer specs, not Maschine. many people are already using it just fine.

The very process of clicking around virtual menus and controls with a mouse is the reason that keeps many hardware-only purists from using a computer to make music because it takes away from the feel of playing an instrument you get with integrated hardware. Most midi controller solutions would still be heavily dependent using the mouse/trackpad in the workflow unless you figured out hairy midi hack workarounds involving midi translators and virtual midi ports. Not something a novice could figure out on their own.

That the Maschine does away with the mouse/trackpad as much as possible in its workflow and that you can pretty much do everything with the controller by itself without having to be visually tied to the computer screen is the big intrigue.

I sold my 2000XL and bought a Maschine....

Awfull..

Had it for like 1.5 month...the chopping in the maschine is !@# ...really.
You can only choose 16 parts or transcient...That's crap. No timestretch, no good slicing..no MIDI OUT!!! No good implementation in your DAW!!..No Groove templates...and so on and on and on..... On the forum of NI there were a lot ex-MPC users with these problems...
I sold my Maschine last weekend and got myself an MPC 1000
It's really like havind sex again...I really didn't made any beat with the mashine...
The maschine is great for house or new users...but def not for ex MPC users.....
The pads of the Maschine are good though..better them the MPD

Javascript wrote:I sold my Maschine last weekend and got myself an MPC 1000
It's really like havind sex again...

Just make sure you keep it clean. You don't want the pads to become sticky.

^^ ^^

I recently sold my MPC and preordered an APC40 - can't come quickly enough

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:umm.. I OWN an mpc, an electribe, and most of the DAW's mentioned in this thread. I know what I am talking about. When I am in reason.. my axiom faders control the faders on the mixer.. or if I go to a synth they control faders on the synth and the knobs act in the same way.

Sure, a proprietary controller will work better on that one specific program.. no dispute there...... but dont fool yourself. once a generic controller is set up it works fine.

in fl studio you can right click almost ANY and EVERY button, knob, function, parameter.. what ever.. you right click it and pick assign, then touch a key or pad or knob, or slider, or what ever on the controller and it works right there and then. The cool part is... fl studio has 10 million knobs and buttons and my controler doesn't so I can pick which specific ones I want to have assigned to where... top it off, I can assign an on/off virtual button to a fader or a rotary knob on the controller if I want to.


once you develop your own workflow with what you are going to use and get it down with what hardware you own... the workflow becomes solid.

same thing as the maschine, once you learn their proprietary workflow then you got a solid thing going.


my question is... latency. I still haven't made it to our music store where the guy said they planned on setting up the maschine for the display.

latency was never an issue with Maschine since it has to do with people's individual computer specs, not Maschine. many people are already using it just fine.

The very process of clicking around virtual menus and controls with a mouse is the reason that keeps many hardware-only purists from using a computer to make music because it takes away from the feel of playing an instrument you get with integrated hardware. Most midi controller solutions would still be heavily dependent using the mouse/trackpad in the workflow unless you figured out hairy midi hack workarounds involving midi translators and virtual midi ports. Not something a novice could figure out on their own.

That the Maschine does away with the mouse/trackpad as much as possible in its workflow and that you can pretty much do everything with the controller by itself without having to be visually tied to the computer screen is the big intrigue.

so what you gotta use a mouse to navigate through menus.... that is what the mouse was invented for: easy navigation of windows and menus.... so on the machine controller you can do the same thing with a few buttons and dials. the machine doesn't mean you dont have to navigate windows and menus.

and yes, latency is an issue not entirely related to computers specs... OH wait, the spec your computer must have is USB. (with usb comes drivers... which is where the latency occurs)

does emptysea work for NI?

Upright wrote:

Doglamp wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I always thought of FL as a program for music creation; rather than music editing, arranging, mixing, etc.

Same here.

i met so me retards in my life, but yall take the cake

so tell me whats the difference between 'music creation' and arranging, editing, and mixing?

jaem wrote:

Upright wrote:

Doglamp wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I always thought of FL as a program for music creation; rather than music editing, arranging, mixing, etc.

Same here.

i met so me retards in my life, but yall take the cake

so tell me whats the difference between 'music creation' and arranging, editing, and mixing?

true, but compare the job done on an mpc to the job done on cubase...

mr_debauch wrote:true, but compare the job done on an mpc to the job done on cubase...

Exactly. Maschine is more akin to MPC in its hardware-like workflow and thus possesses the best of both hardware and software worlds. Live and APC40 also brings hardware integration to its software but with a different approach that lacks velocity sensitive pads. Software only products like cubase and fl studio should be considered in a different category.