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Which Beat Won This Battle??

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By DirtyBird Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:51 am
both shits were dope

Capn's beat was definitely more my style...I understand the off beat style isn't for everyone, but that simple bassline is sick as fuk...I don't know, shit's grimy. I like.

Nym's beat is completely different. I think if anyone here is a master of the mpc, it's probably nym. His knowledge and skill is fuking up there. With that said, I think that nym's music highly intricate and deliberate, but almost too perfect. His compositions are so perfect, that they take on this garage band loops flavor. Shit is too clean and too perfect, which in turn diminishes the soul and emotion that would otherwise be conveyed. just my opinion
By SNMTK Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:02 am
second that... clearly nym is too skilled for his own good and it was on that basis that he lost the battle. if this was a battle between 2 mcs, murph wouldve been the dude with the raw street flow, no holds barred steez, in your face. nym wouldve been the skinny white guy with glasses, spitting immaculately well-thought out and complex metaphors, filled to the brim with syllables and words no one knew the meaning of.
By Captain Murphy Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:35 am
Sinamatik wrote:second that... clearly nym is too skilled for his own good and it was on that basis that he lost the battle. if this was a battle between 2 mcs, murph wouldve been the dude with the raw street flow, no holds barred steez, in your face. nym wouldve been the skinny white guy with glasses, spitting immaculately well-thought out and complex metaphors, filled to the brim with syllables and words no one knew the meaning of.


I don't think you meant anything by your statement... But that could be misconstrued as a tad racist. "raw", "street", can sometimes be seen as "code-words" for black just like "urban" especially when it's used in reference to radio stations. Plus the fact that the white kid in your scenario is sayin all this, as you put it, immaculate, well-thought out, and complex ish.

It's the same argument people used for b-ball years ago. The white players had the smarts for the game and everything was real strategic. Whereas the Blacks were just out there running and jumping with no thought put into their actions. There's a comedian Bill Burr that has a great bit about that.

Jus' Sayin'...
By Captain Murphy Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:41 am
DirtyBird wrote:both **** were dope

Capn's beat was definitely more my style...I understand the off beat style isn't for everyone, but that simple bassline is sick as fuk...I don't know, ****'s grimy. I like.

Nym's beat is completely different. I think if anyone here is a master of the mpc, it's probably nym. His knowledge and skill is fuking up there. With that said, I think that nym's music highly intricate and deliberate, but almost too perfect. His compositions are so perfect, that they take on this garage band loops flavor. **** is too clean and too perfect, which in turn diminishes the soul and emotion that would otherwise be conveyed. just my opinion


All bs aside I think that's an accurate assessment of the battle. I really had nothing that serious against the kid and, I agree with you. It was perfect sounding and sometimes, hell all the time, that doesn't really work in a hip-hop context. Actually I don't even know if I'd call that Hip-Hop, I ain't tryna sh*t on dude neither, jus makin a point.

'Nuff respect to homie though, I didn't even think he was gonna show up.
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By Coz Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:09 am
Captain Murphy wrote:
'Nuff respect to homie though, I didn't even think he was gonna show up.


One thing you can say for Nym is that he has gone about this battle with decorum, and even when you were calling him out with the "flowers" talk he just got on with the job and didn't rise to the bs. Respect.

Jus' sayin'... :wink:
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By poundaproblem Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:31 am
Battle aside, NYM is a good dude. Ive read a lot of his posts and have learned a lot. So what if the dude sounds TOO perfect or intricate. Fact is that son could dumb down the beats if need be but how many cats could match his intricacy with the programming? Not many on this board....






And before anyone comes in with the "dick riding"....blow me....I aint have any problems with either one of the producers. The battle came and went...all this back and forth nonsense spoiled it tho...
By SNMTK Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:58 am
Captain Murphy wrote:
Sinamatik wrote:second that... clearly nym is too skilled for his own good and it was on that basis that he lost the battle. if this was a battle between 2 mcs, murph wouldve been the dude with the raw street flow, no holds barred steez, in your face. nym wouldve been the skinny white guy with glasses, spitting immaculately well-thought out and complex metaphors, filled to the brim with syllables and words no one knew the meaning of.


I don't think you meant anything by your statement... But that could be misconstrued as a tad racist. "raw", "street", can sometimes be seen as "code-words" for black just like "urban" especially when it's used in reference to radio stations. Plus the fact that the white kid in your scenario is sayin all this, as you put it, immaculate, well-thought out, and complex ish.

It's the same argument people used for b-ball years ago. The white players had the smarts for the game and everything was real strategic. Whereas the Blacks were just out there running and jumping with no thought put into their actions. There's a comedian Bill Burr that has a great bit about that.

Jus' Sayin'...


i was being overly stereotypical to make a point.. just the same as when ppl say white men cant jump - of course that is B.S., but theres also some truth to it or else that statement wouldnt have been so pervasive. but i see what youre sayin... and i shouldve left the 'white kid' bit out cos obviously that is irrelevant. my bad..

poundaproblem wrote:The battle came and went...all this back and forth nonsense spoiled it tho...


i think all this trash talking has made for a great (or should i say entertaining) battle though.. i know its childish .. but its like wrestling... the buildup and the trash talking can be just as good as the fight itself

edit: sorry pound.. typed my message in the wrong place :oops:
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By Captain Murphy Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:34 am
Sinamatik wrote:
Captain Murphy wrote:
Sinamatik wrote:second that... clearly nym is too skilled for his own good and it was on that basis that he lost the battle. if this was a battle between 2 mcs, murph wouldve been the dude with the raw street flow, no holds barred steez, in your face. nym wouldve been the skinny white guy with glasses, spitting immaculately well-thought out and complex metaphors, filled to the brim with syllables and words no one knew the meaning of.


I don't think you meant anything by your statement... But that could be misconstrued as a tad racist. "raw", "street", can sometimes be seen as "code-words" for black just like "urban" especially when it's used in reference to radio stations. Plus the fact that the white kid in your scenario is sayin all this, as you put it, immaculate, well-thought out, and complex ish.

It's the same argument people used for b-ball years ago. The white players had the smarts for the game and everything was real strategic. Whereas the Blacks were just out there running and jumping with no thought put into their actions. There's a comedian Bill Burr that has a great bit about that.

Jus' Sayin'...


i was being overly stereotypical to make a point.. just the same as when ppl say white men cant jump - of course that is B.S., but theres also some truth to it or else that statement wouldnt have been so pervasive. but i see what youre sayin... and i shouldve left the 'white kid' bit out cos obviously that is irrelevant. my bad..

poundaproblem wrote:The battle came and went...all this back and forth nonsense spoiled it tho...


i think all this trash talking has made for a great (or should i say entertaining) battle though.. i know its childish .. but its like wrestling... the buildup and the trash talking can be just as good as the fight itself

edit: sorry pound.. typed my message in the wrong place :oops:


Exactly!!! Sometimes you gotta sell the sh*t... Make it interesting ya know.

I gotta be honest though, I still don't see what was so intricate about his drums. I'd like for someone to explain that to me. To me they sound really flat. Was it the hi-hat rhythm?? What??? I honestly don't get it. Not tryna beat a dead horse, jus honestly curious.

poundaproblem wrote:Battle aside, NYM is a good dude. Ive read a lot of his posts and have learned a lot. So what if the dude sounds TOO perfect or intricate. Fact is that son could dumb down the beats if need be but how many cats could match his intricacy with the programming? Not many on this board....


What is there to dumb down on NYM's part? His beat was a chopped guitar loop with some sort of processing or efx on it to give that grainy sound and some chopped and programmed drums. Oh and a programmed bass line, I don't understand...

Mine had changeups, I gave y'all a twofer. Mine was way more intricate, but it was subtle, his wasn't. I think thats where the skill comes in
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By ssnedden Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:47 am
Captain Murphy wrote:
I gotta be honest though, I still don't see what was so intricate about his drums. I'd like for someone to explain that to me. To me they sound really flat. Was it the hi-hat rhythm?? What??? I honestly don't get it. Not tryna beat a dead horse, jus honestly curious.



Dude, I liked your beat - and actually I changed my vote to vote for you a few days before it closed - but Nym's drums were super nice. The way they were layered. The way it sounded like a real set (not the same sample triggered over and over like when people do that with a singular hi-hat. his sounded like someone on a drumset). His rhythms (the turnaround). They were good drums.

I'm not hating. I'm not dickriding. I think that you two had a hella even battle. No one lost. Someone edged it out. At first I thought it was him. Then I reconsidered. But either way it's like 51/49. And it's mainly his drums keeping his beat in the game IMO.
By Captain Murphy Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:48 am
ssnedden wrote:
Captain Murphy wrote:
I gotta be honest though, I still don't see what was so intricate about his drums. I'd like for someone to explain that to me. To me they sound really flat. Was it the hi-hat rhythm?? What??? I honestly don't get it. Not tryna beat a dead horse, jus honestly curious.



Dude, I liked your beat - and actually I changed my vote to vote for you a few days before it closed - but Nym's drums were super nice. The way they were layered. The way it sounded like a real set (not the same sample triggered over and over like when people do that with a singular hi-hat. his sounded like someone on a drumset). His rhythms (the turnaround). They were good drums.

I'm not hating. I'm not dickriding. I think that you two had a hella even battle. No one lost. Someone edged it out. At first I thought it was him. Then I reconsidered. But either way it's like 51/49. And it's mainly his drums keeping his beat in the game IMO.


No I didn't think you were dickridin' the dude or hatin' or anything, I wasn't even tryna sh*t on dude, or anyone for that matter. They jus sounded like drum machine drums to me. If for no other reason than how rigid they were. But thats just me... Battle or no battle, I have no reason to keep dumpin' on him. They were so different it seemed to that if you like hip-hop then you'd pick mine, but if you like world music then maybe you pick his. Somebody a few pages ago thought it sounded like some european ish, I'd have to agree. The styles were so polarizing, I guess that's also why I have a hard time understanding the back and forth, unless you liked neither. In which it makes sense that you couldn't decide.

I'm not singling out ssneden, there were apparently a lot of people who fell into that category, its gravy though.