what's more pro, eb16 or Protools/Plug-ins

The search function didn't come with anything direct enuff so I'd appreciate if someone could help. I've been recording my beats onto protools MBox as one stereo track, I want to get the digi so I can start tracking on protools, that seems to be the way to do it. My question is as far as drums go should I continue to use my eb16 reverb or would the Protools, or maybe a plug-in reverb be better sounding/professional than the eb16??? I always put at least a little bit of reverb on my drums and I'm looking for a real clean, high quality reverb, anyone with some input please lemme know

lexicon. **** plugins.

Agreed, the plugins aren't that great. The ideal thing to do is run an effects bus using an outboard effects processor. You can do it on the digi oo2. This also saves you pc's processing power which gives you higher track counts and more editing power.

I've heard nothing but good things about Lexicon, but once I run it through lexicon into the computer I can't adjust the reverb, can I??? Would I just have to have it sounding right going in??? Also, can you save your settings for each beat on a Lexicon??

cop the digi001 and waves renaissance plug ins, save urself headaches, no one will no the difference.

u didnt get mbox WITH protools??

Skiggy wrote:I've heard nothing but good things about Lexicon, but once I run it through lexicon into the computer I can't adjust the reverb, can I??? Would I just have to have it sounding right going in??? Also, can you save your settings for each beat on a Lexicon??

If you run the fx through an aux bus and use an external effect you can twaek it as much as you like. I will work loke a real mixer in the sense that the aux will send a copy of the signal to the external effect and then
back onto a pro tools track or fx return. I usually keep my effect return on two tracks (stereo) so I can also eq the reverb. Then when you are happy
you can record the effect onto a separate track and adjust. With plug ins, unless you have a G5 you are limited to a certain amount of plugins, depending on the power of your computer so you often have to process the sound to get more effects and have to be sure you are happy with that effect cause it will change the wav. I prefer recording dry and adding external effects on mixdown.... It's all a matter of taste

pro tools is the bomb but you dont need it...just get a good lexi and a good multi effects....

the lexicon mpx100/500 have that ambience algorhythm you here in loads of urban music...that clean sound with space but no reverb tails....



greg

DOVESKI wrote:cop the digi001 and waves renaissance plug ins, save urself headaches, no one will no the difference.

Yo Dove, how do u pull up non pro tools plug ins through PT? I copped Waves not to long ago, but when i got some audio in PT, i don't know how to bring waves up and apply it..

it should be there if you installed it correctly with the rest of the plugs.

next time you load PT, watch to see the words Wave Shell in the dialog box of the loader, if you dont see it say waves shell with a little spinning spaceship looking thing, its not installed correctly and your gonna have to reinstall.

If you run the fx through an aux bus and use an external effect you can twaek it as much as you like. I will work loke a real mixer in the sense that the aux will send a copy of the signal to the external effect and then
back onto a pro tools track or fx return. I usually keep my effect return on two tracks (stereo) so I can also eq the reverb. Then when you are happy
you can record the effect onto a separate track and adjust. With plug ins, unless you have a G5 you are limited to a certain amount of plugins, depending on the power of your computer so you often have to process the sound to get more effects and have to be sure you are happy with that effect cause it will change the wav. I prefer recording dry and adding external effects on mixdown.... It's all a matter of taste

So basically your saying you use the same stereo track reverb on top of the whole mix, but what if you wanted say like a different reverb on the hi hat than the snare how do you go about getting that on a Lexicon or any other outboard effects??? Also wouldn't that make the reverb play the whole time what if I only want the reverb to play when the snare hits?

Skiggy wrote:

If you run the fx through an aux bus and use an external effect you can twaek it as much as you like. I will work loke a real mixer in the sense that the aux will send a copy of the signal to the external effect and then
back onto a pro tools track or fx return. I usually keep my effect return on two tracks (stereo) so I can also eq the reverb. Then when you are happy
you can record the effect onto a separate track and adjust. With plug ins, unless you have a G5 you are limited to a certain amount of plugins, depending on the power of your computer so you often have to process the sound to get more effects and have to be sure you are happy with that effect cause it will change the wav. I prefer recording dry and adding external effects on mixdown.... It's all a matter of taste

So basically your saying you use the same stereo track reverb on top of the whole mix, but what if you wanted say like a different reverb on the hi hat than the snare how do you go about getting that on a Lexicon or any other outboard effects??? Also wouldn't that make the reverb play the whole time what if I only want the reverb to play when the snare hits?

thats whats coo about plug ins. u can either run em per channel or by grouping per aux.

same with any decent mixer...i use the aux to have different amounts of effects on each channel...

greg

So basically your saying you use the same stereo track reverb on top of the whole mix, but what if you wanted say like a different reverb on the hi hat than the snare how do you go about getting that on a Lexicon or any other outboard effects??? Also wouldn't that make the reverb play the whole time what if I only want the reverb to play when the snare hits?[/quote]

I don't work this way, ijust explained that you can route external fx into pro tools. it's all taste... I never really use more than one reverb type, it's no use. reverb is to add an ambiance, a color to the sound. no one listens to sound in a dry environment and reverb just recreates the reverbs of different types of rooms. would you really have a snare in one room, the hat in a church next door, the kick on the roof and the cymbals and singer in a hole in the ground. that's why i usually use one type of reverb it sounds less muddy... but it's all a matter of taste. I track onto pro tools and use plug ins all the time cause it's easier, but for reverb i keep the same one for all the same parts... through the aux.
when I mix down chorus phaser flanger and delays is another issue, I use different delays throughout the tracks to add rythmic interest.

Also wouldn't that make the reverb play the whole time what if I only want the reverb to play when the snare hits?[/quote]

have the aux out go to the reverb unit and return wherever. turn up the aux send one on the track where your snare is hitting and voila, no other sound will go to the reverb unit. If you have a snare and hat on the same track they will both go through the aux and have reverb.