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dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By DPM Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:40 pm
if hip hop is meant to bring all types of music together and form new pieces, (ie sampling obviously), why do beatmakers and producers keep it a secret who they sample?

i mean, from my P.o.V., i want to sample people i look up to and enjoy listening to. so i would gladly show who the sample is from in my beat, that way my listeners/friends, whomever, will be able to know who the artists being sample is, and then can proceed to listen to their music as well.

why keep it a secret who you sample. im always hearing people say, " naw man, naw man, i cant tell you..."

unless im missing something, please enlighten me.

(unless they want you to dig the record yourself, but if your a normal listener, chances are, your not going to go through the trouble to find out...)
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Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By Lampdog Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:10 pm
DPM wrote:why keep it a secret who you sample. im always hearing people say, " naw man, naw man, i cant tell you..."


Same as cooking, some people take serious pride in their "recipes" and don't
want you to copy it or infringe upon their creations, yes I know samples are copies from other artists, I know. But still
that's just the way some sample prodcuers are.

Some people love to share their recipes so that other people can enjoy it.

It's up to that individual person.
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By Lampdog Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:32 pm
Usually "snitching" and "rattin" are more reserved for more grave and serious situations right?!?

A sample though?!?
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By Ill-Green Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:34 am
Lampdog wrote:Usually "snitching" and "rattin" are more reserved for more grave and serious situations right?!?

A sample though?!?

Well look at how many producers are getting sued by the original artists. And these artists will never in a hundred years, would listen to Hip Hop in the first place. Somebody actually told them their music was sampled.
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By Lampdog Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:48 am
The original artist don't have to listen to hiphop, imo that's not even a valid point.

If a producer uses a sample of another artists music for commercial monetary gain then
he/she should be well aware that a lawsuit may/may not happen. Everyone
should know what they're getting into before they get into it right?

Snitching is usually something way more serious though, like jailtime, crimes, deaths etc right?!?
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Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By Ill-Green Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:05 am
Not quite, a snitch could be that teacher's pet that tells on you when you're cutting class too. To me, a snitch is a person that tells your secrets to others, so yeah its serious when it harms you, especially when you pay a fine or serve jailtime or even detention. We all do dirt for survival sometimes, maybe to feed a child or satisfy your hunger, sometimes there is no choice, but your good intentions could be an evil deed to someone else and thus comes snitching.

But you're right that one should know what they're getting into, if I sample a famous icon then I'll be damn aware of the repercussions to come after I hit record.
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Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By Lampdog Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:14 am
Ill-Green wrote:Not quite, a snitch could be that teacher's pet that tells on you when you're cutting class too. To me, a snitch is a person that tells your secrets to others, so yeah its serious when it harms you, especially when you pay a fine or serve jailtime or even detention.


I hear you. But it aint a secret when it's a sample. It's already public even though most people won't know where that sample came from, it's still public. I hear you though.

But yeah, peeps should know the dangers of what's what before jumping into something, no matter how fun beatmaking is, once you start getting money from it, things change, bank accounts are drained, lol.

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By DBA Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:20 am
Ill-Green wrote:
Lampdog wrote:Usually "snitching" and "rattin" are more reserved for more grave and serious situations right?!?

A sample though?!?

Well look at how many producers are getting sued by the original artists. And these artists will never in a hundred years, would listen to Hip Hop in the first place. Somebody actually told them their music was sampled.


This is true. There is a company that inspects all forms of music, and can detect if a sample was used. It's some super software program they use, and they have a full database of mostly every song made. They run your music through the software and it detects the sampled music back to the music from their database. Sort of like DNA analysis. As far-fetched as it sounds, it's true.

Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By RonTheLodger Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:06 pm
An additional historical link back to protecting your sources can be traced back to the 70's when the original hiphop dj's would dig for really obscure and rare grooves to mix in with their sets. This proprietary information became a part of their identities and was guarded as a "trade secret."


I think that secrecy is certainly a double-edged sword. Granted you get to protect your sources and your originality, but at the same time, I think that it does have its negative parts, too. I believe that the fact that we have to keep the names of the artists from being mentioned reinforces the belief that we're stealing their work and passing it off as their own. In addition, because everything is so based on obscurity, many sampling artists stay away from using semi-known material that could be used to tremendous effect (creatively, not just biting whole melodies, etc).

Personally, I'll use anything. It's not a career, for me, really. Its all about the love of music. If I can use something to make the big toe shoot up in someone's boot, you'd better believe I will. Personally I think that we can learn a lot from dj's from that era- what they generally did was played a mixture of the familiar and not...and tried to present the familiar in new ways.

at any rate, that's my 2c.
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Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By poundaproblem Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:34 pm
I have yet to disclose any of my samples to anyone all my years of production. I flat out tell cats to find their own gems. If I spend top dollar on a rare record that I have been searching months for, then I spend hours upon hours putting something together there aint no way in hell I'm telling the next cat how to do what I just did. F that.

Re: dumb to the rest of ya'll , but to me, misunderstood

By MPCHunter Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:22 pm
poundaproblem wrote:I have yet to disclose any of my samples to anyone all my years of production. I flat out tell cats to find their own gems. If I spend top dollar on a rare record that I have been searching months for, then I spend hours upon hours putting something together there aint no way in hell I'm telling the next cat how to do what I just did. F that.


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