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jjbing3 wrote:What if i get someone to go and find samples for me like kanye, just blaze, or 9th wonder? Does that make me less of a digger than someone who uses mp3s?

No. "Digging" implies looking for samples on records (usually found in crates - hence "digging in the crates"). If you get someone to bring records to you, then that person did the digging. However, if you go online and d/l mp3's, not only did someone else do the diggin for you, (by finding, owning and posting up said album), you also have no acces to the record or a crate. Therefore mp3 users aren't really doing any digging.

Plus dudes like kanye, just blaze and 9th all used records, dug for records, own records, and can have a intelligent discussion about the music contained on those records, the labels, the artwork, the musicians and producers, runout numbers, etc -something that mp3 users can't do as easily since most mp3's lack artwork or label scans.

jjbing3 wrote:What about if i get someone to find the samples and bring them to me as a rex file, chopped already, like marley marl? Is that worst than using mp3s? Just curious as to which one makes u less of a producer?

Then that person is doing the digging, as well as co-producing (if they are chopping up breaks for you to use). If they found the actual record, then I would say it's not worse than mp3's, because digging was still done somewhere along the chain of events. Mp3 users aren't digging. Going online and d/l'ing from blogs, torrents or youtube is not digging, no matter how bad anyone wants it to be. As for Marley Marl, when he made all the Cold Chillin' classics, he was using records - so he gets a pass from me. As for today - I can't comment. What was the last hot Marley beat you heard? Oh, and you can produce without being a digger, and you can dig without producing.

People don't want to admit it, but if you have never gone out into the real physical world, found records, studied them and knowledged yourself about labels, artists, songwrtiters, musicians, pressings, matrix #'s and so on - then bought some based on this knowledge or hunches (or a portable turntable, lol) and come back to the crib and gone through hours of shitty wack music to find an ill drum break or crazy loop or sick sample - YOU HAVEN'T REALLY DUG IN THE CRATES.

FIN.

Just so the rest of ya'll know. My next project is going to be my beats with nothing but MP3 samples, and Buddy Maxwell is going to be the MC. the name of the album is E-Thuggin Till The Modem Craps Out. The 1st single is Blogspot Bangin'. We rep the hood.

JUKE 179r wrote:The thing I don't understand about the way people diss sampling from digital media (MP3's, APE, Lossless... ok... sampling from YouTube definitely SUX!!! ) and then they sample just from vinyl and then downgrade the sound to get that 12bit crunchy sound. WTF???

I'm stationed out in the desert, far away from my record collection back in England. Right about now, I'll take what I can get when it comes to listening/sampling music... even from/on my iPod.

your right sample what you want. but there is perfect reason why people sample from vinyl and than turn to 12 bit. Vinyl is electrical signal recorded into sound. MP3 is1's and 0's. mp3 has 80% of its sound information taken out! its desighned to fool your ear. its not compressed at all as to contrary belief. THE INFO IS JUST NOT THERE!!!. a 12 bit wav is not actually really lacking much information except in higher freq. it has all its low end. no matter what VINYL, TAPE,
VHS, WELL MADE WAV. all have more fullness and are better mediums to sample from.

people dont seem to understand why its so different.

analog=sound turned into ELECTRICAL current placed upon a medium: tape, viNyl, vhs etc..

digital= 1's and 0's trying to compensate and potrray musical signal. NO ACTUAL ELECTRICITY IN THE SOUND!!!!!!! except for the cuircutry of course.


THAT IS WHY ANY ANALOG MEDIUM WHILE IT MIGHT NOT SOUND AS GOOD TO THE NAKED EAR ON THE HIGH END, DONT BE FOOLED. THERE IS MUCH MORE "MUSICAL" INFORMATION YOUR HEARING AND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN MAKING SOMTHING OUT OF IT AND MIXING AND MASTERING.

TRY MASTERING MP3 FILES. YOU BARELY HAVE CONTROL OVER EQING CAUSE THE FREQ YOUR TRYING TO BOOST PROB ARENT EVEN THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONE wrote:Just so the rest of ya'll know. My next project is going to be my beats with nothing but MP3 samples, and Buddy Maxwell is going to be the MC. the name of the album is E-Thuggin Till The Modem Craps Out. The 1st single is Blogspot Bangin'. We rep the hood.

All beats produced with a beat kang and an ipod

buddy maxwell wrote:

jjbing3 wrote:What if i get someone to go and find samples for me like kanye, just blaze, or 9th wonder? Does that make me less of a digger than someone who uses mp3s?

No. "Digging" implies looking for samples on records (usually found in crates - hence "digging in the crates"). If you get someone to bring records to you, then that person did the digging. However, if you go online and d/l mp3's, not only did someone else do the diggin for you, (by finding, owning and posting up said album), you also have no acces to the record or a crate. Therefore mp3 users aren't really doing any digging.

Plus dudes like kanye, just blaze and 9th all used records, dug for records, own records, and can have a intelligent discussion about the music contained on those records, the labels, the artwork, the musicians and producers, runout numbers, etc -something that mp3 users can't do as easily since most mp3's lack artwork or label scans.

jjbing3 wrote:What about if i get someone to find the samples and bring them to me as a rex file, chopped already, like marley marl? Is that worst than using mp3s? Just curious as to which one makes u less of a producer?

Then that person is doing the digging, as well as co-producing (if they are chopping up breaks for you to use). If they found the actual record, then I would say it's not worse than mp3's, because digging was still done somewhere along the chain of events. Mp3 users aren't digging. Going online and d/l'ing from blogs, torrents or youtube is not digging, no matter how bad anyone wants it to be. As for Marley Marl, when he made all the Cold Chillin' classics, he was using records - so he gets a pass from me. As for today - I can't comment. What was the last hot Marley beat you heard? Oh, and you can produce without being a digger, and you can dig without producing.

People don't want to admit it, but if you have never gone out into the real physical world, found records, studied them and knowledged yourself about labels, artists, songwrtiters, musicians, pressings, matrix #'s and so on - then bought some based on this knowledge or hunches (or a portable turntable, lol) and come back to the crib and gone through hours of **** wack music to find an ill drum break or crazy loop or sick sample - YOU HAVEN'T REALLY DUG IN THE CRATES.

FIN.

Thats not all the way true. There are usually cover scans/artwork included with the stuff you download. #2. Just because there's an abundance of albums available doesn't mean somoen else did the diggin because u still have to look through the posted album to find what you want. #3. its people who have records who could give a shit about artist or the music (the heatmakerz stated they had a basement full of albums on the floor. "we just sample what we want off of the album and toss them back in the basement, man."
I got crates of records so i do dig but you can find rare (less used) stuff on the net as well. A good blog spot will include a history of the artist/record. Marley Marl was a beast your right, but when he said someone brings him chopped rex files, its like finding out your favorite mc borrowed 48 bars and a hook.

poundaproblem wrote:

ONE wrote:Just so the rest of ya'll know. My next project is going to be my beats with nothing but MP3 samples, and Buddy Maxwell is going to be the MC. the name of the album is E-Thuggin Till The Modem Craps Out. The 1st single is Blogspot Bangin'. We rep the hood.

All beats produced with a beat kang and an ipod

With an excLOUsiv grill, but wait, ya'll **** up my grill ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

It's not digging, it's e-digging.

Doglamp wrote:It's not digging, it's e-digging.

Thats what I been saying. Its a distinguishin difference but it is what it is!

Actually, even though I started out with nothing but going through crates, I have used the internet many times. It's not digging per se, but it's definitely doing your RESEARCH. You build up your knowledge base just like going digging, but it's on hyper speed, cause what you can learn on the net, if you are smart, in a few hours, could equal a years worth of digs.

In other words, I do have an understanding of where this new generation is at, but still know what the hardcore diggers are talking about. I'm somewhere in the middle.

jjbing3 wrote:Thats not all the way true. There are usually cover scans/artwork included with the stuff you download.

Maybe there is a front cover scan 80% of the time. There is maybe a back cover scan 20% of the time. There is maybe a label scan 5% of the time. And you usually can't read shit because the resolution is so small. Not the same as digging.

jjbing3 wrote:#2. Just because there's an abundance of albums available doesn't mean somoen else did the diggin because u still have to look through the posted album to find what you want.

So when during this process did you A) touch a record, or
B) touch a crate ?

You didn't touch either. So in essence, no digging was done. So what you had to go through 4 library lp's and 3 blaxploitation ost's to find what you wanted to use - you didn't dig any of them up. You went to fourbrothers or dustisback or wherever you go on the net to d/l MP3's that SOMEONE ELSE RIPPED FROM THE RECORD AND POSTED. Shit is corny. It's kinda like sampling from a compilation, but without even using a record. Someone else did the digging for you. If I dug up a record from the real world and brought it home to listen to, I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT TO FIND THE PART I WANT TO USE. The only difference is I was digging, you weren't if you d/l'ed.

jjbing3 wrote:#3. its people who have records who could give a **** about artist or the music (the heatmakerz stated they had a basement full of albums on the floor. "we just sample what we want off of the album and toss them back in the basement, man."

No, that's the heatmakerz that don't give a shit about records. Don't ever make the mistake of assuming just because those dudes feel that way that every cat with records is the same. In case you haven't noticed, some of us take this (and have been taking this) digging culture very seriously. If it's not important to you, so be it. Just don't come into the crate diggers section acting like d/l'ing mp3s is the same as digging, because it's NOT.

jjbing3 wrote:I got crates of records so i do dig but you can find rare (less used) stuff on the net as well. A good blog spot will include a history of the artist/record. Marley Marl was a beast your right, but when he said someone brings him chopped rex files, its like finding out your favorite mc borrowed 48 bars and a hook.

If you have records, how did you get them? Just curious.

And I'm not saying blogs suck, there are some great ones out there. I'm saying downloading mp3's is not digging.
As for Marley, he was a beast for sure. But like I said, his current work habits (of having some other dude dig for him and bring him chopped up rex files) is kinda irrelevant. Back when he was creating his classics, he used real records that he found, or his boys found, or Biz Markie got a clean copy of for him or whatever. Even later on in the 90's, K-Def was doing alot of the digging and co-producing for Marley Marl (Lords of the Underground era). Still, records were being dug up and used.

If we don't care for our culture and define what it is and what it isn't, in the not-to-distant future our culture will be strange to us because we let it morph and whittle away into something else entirely. Now don't misread me as saying we have to record on to 2inch tape and only use akai's from the 90's or before - I'm not saying that we can't adapt to the future and technology and all that - we can. But for us that take vinyl crate digging culture seriously - and there isn't that many of us on this forum - it does make a big difference about whether or not we say downloading mp3's is digging...because it is not.



And pound - you're welcome!!!

mainiakist wrote:sampling mp3's sucks. quality is tin, llosses all that low end. takes the fun out of listening to records and digging. but, nothin will stop me from droppin a beat if i feel motivated. i have done it in cases where i hear something and im instantly motivated to drop a whole beat. other than that, it dont compare with diggin, searchin studying breaks and just hear that crusty good low end. so only use mp3 if ya absouluty have too. you ll feel much more accomplished in the end.

thats popular myth it aint always the case i have mp3's with plent of low end and when they dont have it i just play my own bass in anyway most times ur gonna filter out the base to put ur own stuff in anyhow.


but me currently i rarely dig i been actually going out to the stores since 2002 i stopped around 2007 and switched to on-line.

i got some good shit while out and learn alot about lables artist and how to pic records but the shit i get on line is better then the shit i used to find while out digging.
now i get access to super rare 150 quid records that i could not afford so its a win win situation cos i get more of the type of records i like in less time and money is know object.

buddy maxwell wrote:

jjbing3 wrote:Thats not all the way true. There are usually cover scans/artwork included with the stuff you download.

Maybe there is a front cover scan 80% of the time. There is maybe a back cover scan 20% of the time. There is maybe a label scan 5% of the time. And you usually can't read **** because the resolution is so small. Not the same as digging.

jjbing3 wrote:#2. Just because there's an abundance of albums available doesn't mean somoen else did the diggin because u still have to look through the posted album to find what you want.

So when during this process did you A) touch a record, or
B) touch a crate ?

You didn't touch either. So in essence, no digging was done. So what you had to go through 4 library lp's and 3 blaxploitation ost's to find what you wanted to use - you didn't dig any of them up. You went to fourbrothers or dustisback or wherever you go on the net to d/l MP3's that SOMEONE ELSE RIPPED FROM THE RECORD AND POSTED. **** is corny. It's kinda like sampling from a compilation, but without even using a record. Someone else did the digging for you. If I dug up a record from the real world and brought it home to listen to, I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT TO FIND THE PART I WANT TO USE. The only difference is I was digging, you weren't if you d/l'ed.

jjbing3 wrote:#3. its people who have records who could give a **** about artist or the music (the heatmakerz stated they had a basement full of albums on the floor. "we just sample what we want off of the album and toss them back in the basement, man."

No, that's the heatmakerz that don't give a **** about records. Don't ever make the mistake of assuming just because those dudes feel that way that every cat with records is the same. In case you haven't noticed, some of us take this (and have been taking this) digging culture very seriously. If it's not important to you, so be it. Just don't come into the crate diggers section acting like d/l'ing mp3s is the same as digging, because it's NOT.

jjbing3 wrote:I got crates of records so i do dig but you can find rare (less used) stuff on the net as well. A good blog spot will include a history of the artist/record. Marley Marl was a beast your right, but when he said someone brings him chopped rex files, its like finding out your favorite mc borrowed 48 bars and a hook.

If you have records, how did you get them? Just curious.

And I'm not saying blogs suck, there are some great ones out there. I'm saying downloading mp3's is not digging.
As for Marley, he was a beast for sure. But like I said, his current work habits (of having some other dude dig for him and bring him chopped up rex files) is kinda irrelevant. Back when he was creating his classics, he used real records that he found, or his boys found, or Biz Markie got a clean copy of for him or whatever. Even later on in the 90's, K-Def was doing alot of the digging and co-producing for Marley Marl (Lords of the Underground era). Still, records were being dug up and used.

If we don't care for our culture and define what it is and what it isn't, in the not-to-distant future our culture will be strange to us because we let it morph and whittle away into something else entirely. Now don't misread me as saying we have to record on to 2inch tape and only use akai's from the 90's or before - I'm not saying that we can't adapt to the future and technology and all that - we can. But for us that take vinyl crate digging culture seriously - and there isn't that many of us on this forum - it does make a big difference about whether or not we say downloading mp3's is digging...because it is not.



And pound - you're welcome!!!

I dont know why everybody keeps reading my post and saying downloading is not diggin. I said that a long time ago. I know the difference. I never said they were the same! I understand the difference and wouldnt confuse the two! I'm just saying that people should not be so against "e-diggin/downloadin from blogs."

I know everyone doesnt take diggin for granted as much as others, but i wanted to point out that every person with records is not a great digger that treasures records. (Heatmakerz)

How did i acquire my records? I bought them. Each and every one one of them. First from a spot in the A called Rowans. Then I had to start gettin them from garage sales, craigslist, Word of Mouth, etc because Rowans closed.

I aint trippin bro, all love. Its hard to tell tone by someones typing. (pound)

jjbing3 wrote:How did i acquire my records? I bought them. Each and every one one of them. First from a spot in the A called Rowans. Then I had to start gettin them from garage sales, craigslist, Word of Mouth, etc because Rowans closed.

A real digger. Sorry if I came on a little strong - I can get carried away at times...lol

Also, it's a shame that so many used record stores have closed over the last 5 years. I have no doubt that this is in part due to downloading, and has also had the effect of making the remaining used vinyl stores jack up their prices just to stay afloat. I would like to take this opportunity to encourage everyone to visit their local used record store and drop a buck or two so that these places can stay open...