Sample playback while in TRIM mode

Had this for about a week now, so i'm just learning - didn't see anything in the manual or here about this. Is there any way to play an entire sample without having to keep the pad depressed in trim mode? i.e. just hitting the pad will play the whole sample, the same as applying 'one shot' instead of 'note on' in progam mode.

Thx, D

Assign the sample to a pad and trigger that with MIDI.

bro look above the pads at the little text.. PAD9 see where it says PLAY ALL. hit pad 9 when ur trimming and it will play the entire sample regardless of your trim points. you also got 10, 11, and 12.
10 will loop which you have trimmed, 11 will play up till ur end point, and 12 will play after your end point.
the other 8 pads will play what you have trimmed.

I dont own a 500, but Im pretty sure this IS in the manual. (page 67, Chapter 11 "Editing a Sample")

but hey.. we are ALL new at one point.

Enjoy

I saw that part in the manual and it doesn't work for me (at least on my 500 ver. 1.31). For some reason my manual says those pad functions are in Program Mode; maybe just a typo, i don't know. When in trim mode, my pads all play the same way - will only play the entire sample if you keep the pad depressed, except for pad 12 has no sound. Guess I just have a bug.


But thanks for your help bro, you are so cool.

-D

derekam wrote:I saw that part in the manual and it doesn't work for me (at least on my 500 ver. 1.31). For some reason my manual says those pad functions are in Program Mode; maybe just a typo, i don't know. When in trim mode, my pads all play the same way - will only play the entire sample if you keep the pad depressed, except for pad 12 has no sound. Guess I just have a bug.


But thanks for your help bro, you are so cool.

-D

Akai Manual wrote:When you hit a pad, the MPC500 plays the sample. In PROGRAM mode, the playback method varies depending on the pad.
[PAD 11] (PLAY TO) - Sample is played before the start point.
[PAD 12] (PLAY FROM) - Sample is played from the start point.
[PAD 9] (PLAY ALL) - Plays the whole sample regardless of the start/end point settings.
[PAD 1] to [PAD 8] - Plays from the start point to the end point.

I understand what you meant man, but what that line in the manual means is that when you are in Program mode, the pads playback differently, according to what you have each Pad set to(ie. Note On, Oneshot, etc)

This directly insinuates that the Detailed Explanation above is Specific to TRIM MODE.
So Im not sure why you are having a problem. I suppose a Bug is possible. But not as likely as user error. NO offense.

Record a good sample of audio. Something at least a few seconds long.
Try trimming a small little piece in the middle about 1/8th the total size of the entire sample and hit pad 9. it should still play the entire sample for example.
As for pad 12.. if your Samples End point is all the way at the end, then your NOT gonna hear anything since pad 12 plays from the AFTER the end point man.

RE-READ everything here in your thread and retry this.. Im pretty sure you'll eventually get it.


EDIT: I have to remind myself here that your on a 500 which I have never used so U have the tiny screen..

Im SURE if you follow page 67 word for word, you'll be fine..
Record some audio.. try to get a phrase the has sound at the start and end that you dont want. for instance a drum loop with some kicks and snares and hihats would be good. Then following the instructions on page 67, trim the start time and end time to isolate ONE smaller section of the loop.. or even just ONE kick or snare.. either way
you will notice that when you hit any pad 1-8 it will play ONLY the portion you have selected via the start and end points. pad 9 will play the entire thing and ignore your start and end points. and so on and so forth. refer to manual quote above and READ READ READ the meanings..

Ok, thanks, I understand now, and it does do what it says in the manual, BUT I still have to keep my finger on the pad to play the entire sample, even on pad 9. What I'm looking to do if find a way to just quickly hit the pad and it will play the entire sample instead of having to hold down on the pad until the sample ends - its bit annoying.

The sample itself in selected as 'one shot' in program mode, but everything in trim mode behaves like its 'note on'.

Thanks again,
D

derekam wrote:Ok, thanks, I understand now, and it does do what it says in the manual, BUT I still have to keep my finger on the pad to play the entire sample, even on pad 9. What I'm looking to do if find a way to just quickly hit the pad and it will play the entire sample instead of having to hold down on the pad until the sample ends - its bit annoying.

The sample itself in selected as 'one shot' in program mode, but everything in trim mode behaves like its 'note on'.

Thanks again,
D

YES that is exactly right. I get now what you were trying to say.. it just didn't occur to me.
The reason why is because in TRIM mode, despite that fact that you THINK you want the sample to play like ONESHOT mode, YOU DONT.. it would be much more annoying to TRIM IT then.. the idea regarding the pads behaving like NOTE ON in TRIM mode is so you can quickly trim a sample. When trimming it is common practice to hit the pad repeatedly while your actually adjusting the start and end points so you can hear EXACTLY where u are in the sample and make a more detailed adjustment. In your case, this is even more important since your on a 500 and have no visual reference.

I know it seems kinda annoying now.. but you'll get used to it.. its just the way it is.. But its tried and proven.. so its like that for a reason bro.. lol

HAVE FUN;)

Thanks for your help in clearing this up. I'm an old MPC60 user trying to adapt to the new stuff and have been so used to how I worked on the 60 (I would trim with one shot with it set to mono-no voice overlap) that this is gonna take some time I guess. I understand Akai's logic in setting it that way, but it just seems so tedious to me to have hold on to the button to hear it all, especially when I have it on my lap and holding my thumb on the pad and gripping the back with the rest of my fingers, and trimming with my right hand. oh well, guess I'll get used to it or chop em up on the pc instead beforehand.


- D

yeah just like anything it takes some getting used too..

I thought about grabbing a 500 to take around with me and what not, but I just cant mess with the screen on that thing..
Im spoiled by the others I guess. I aint never messed with the 60. My first mpc was a 2000 classic around 97 and used that for a LONG time.

But yeah I know what u mean. but see thats were the 1000 and 2500 come in.
In JJos u can hold the pad down and every turn of the data wheel will play your current position..
so u can hold it down or keep hittin it. just depends on wut u like..

but as far as just hittin the pad once and letting it play thru while trimming.. how can u hear where ur trim point is at without hittin the pad again? especially with a start point adjustment.. I can see what u mean maybe with an end point adjustment. but even then it just seems like it would take mad long to trim samples. lol
I got so tired of turning the data wheel on my 2500 while trimming, Im loving the ability to trim samples with the Qlink sliders in JJ. but i guess everyone just has their own way.

Yeah, everyone has their way of doing things. I'm so used to how I used to do it that I'll just need some time . Keep in mind I'm usually trimming short samples, nothing to lengthy, so I don't mind letting the sample play thru while I'm trimming on the 60; with voice overlap set to mono, I can just keep hitting the pad to hear where I'm on the startpoint. I got the 60 back in '94 so it can be hard at times to teach an old dog new tricks.

The 500's cool for taking around and playing with new beats, but yes, that screen is very small and you need to scroll thru alot of items for even the simplest of things - you spend more time doing that than actual beatmaking it seems. Its limited, but its portable. It is what it is.

-D

derekam wrote: Keep in mind I'm usually trimming short samples, nothing to lengthy, so I don't mind letting the sample play thru while I'm trimming on the 60; with voice overlap set to mono, I can just keep hitting the pad to hear where I'm on the startpoint.

That can be done on the 500 too.

Ill-Green wrote:

derekam wrote: Keep in mind I'm usually trimming short samples, nothing to lengthy, so I don't mind letting the sample play thru while I'm trimming on the 60; with voice overlap set to mono, I can just keep hitting the pad to hear where I'm on the startpoint.

That can be done on the 500 too.

How can you do this in trim mode without holding the pad down? Is there a way to hit the pad once and have the sample play all the way through without holding the pad down? While in trim mode?

If you can teach me how to do this you are a legend!

As far as the 500 having a small screen and having to scroll thru various menus at once or hit many buttons to get the desired effect, I guess it just comes natural kinda automated.

I'm a new user to the mpc and 500, but I can do most of the basic and middle level tasks without looking too much at the screen. And I love triming by ear. So no complaints with the size of the screen here.

The only thing is to find a way to name samples so to load find them easily and distinct them from eachother.

I'm sure on bigger mpc's this is less of and "issue", but then again, most likely seasoned players do most things "automatically"