Whats helping destroy hip hop, and what wont let it revive

Ruslanio wrote:Hip Hop is not even close to dead, it's just chilling in the undergound. Check out that Torae &Marco Polo "Double Barrel", straight fire.

Marco Polo = Rasputin?

Joidibeats wrote:

mr.pleasant wrote:Y'all claiming HIP-HOP IS DEAD....... BUT Mr.Pleasant's on the corner yellin............
" WHUT THEE FAACK YA MEAN !!! "........
HIP-HOP is on ROAM...... makin its way back....

YEAAH LIL WAYNE AND SOULJA BOYS THERE! GET EM PLEASANT!

C'MON JODI...... ur lil girly R'ass needs a massive CHIN CHECK...
quit tryin 2 be sum kind of cyber bully, take ur tight jean wearin, no school self & look in the mirror....
don't commit suicide tho... i don't condemn that, but choke ur self slowly...

ur makin me Y.A.W.N, all in ya face with my morning dragon..... grow up... or TRY..

roxstar wrote:One word, Corporations!
Once we allowed money to get in the mix, that's when everything went downhill. 1998 was the last year when real hip-hop really meant something, and don't mix up what I'm saying like nothing decent ever came out after that. When Puffy entered the game, it started going downhill. How many folks do we all know that wanna run a label by themselves and act like no one can tell them schyt. When No-Limit entered the game, we all know people who tried to be like Master P without a master plan. When Cash Money entered the game, no name producers on the internet started boasting how they made 20 beats a day. I can go on, but the main thing is that money is killing the real Hip-Hop that needs to be heard.
Another thing is the complete lack of respect that we have towards each other. Kids are entering the game on some "that ***** 26 and still rappin!" WTF is that about??? Or just the fact that guys like Talib or Common are labeled "conscious rappers" while the media portrays guys like Lil Wayne as a "Hip-Hop artist" is just disrespectful! You can't even play a beat for someone without them reacting like, "but yo! Check out MY BEATS" just to hear some horrible azz bullschyt. I was at a show the other day, and there was a group that performed, and they were dope...really good! But the crowd was just looking at them when the set was over..no reaction, but when their friends entered the stage, hands were in the air...not because the music was good, but because they knew the people on the stage. That's bullschyt! People act like they can't show support. Even if the music is BANGIN', a lot of time, the crowd will just sit there with a blank look on their face.
One more thing and I'm done..why do folks grade how good an artist is by record sales? Who made Lil wayne the best rapper? People need to stop worrying about album sales and focus on the content. Neptunes have sold beats for $100,000, won grammy's, but not one of their songs can compete with what Nottz has done for Busta and the Flipmode. Nothing Jazzy Pha has done has touched hearts like what Dilla did for Tribe, and nothing "play-N-Skills" has ever made can phuck with anything Kev Brown has made. Lets stop worrying about the money, and do **** because we love it. Phuck a record deal, and distribution, that schyt is ol-skool. You can do what you want, when you want, how you want by yourself now. No one has to make you wear lipstick, shiny pants, and pick your songs anymore.
I'm done!

That's not one word !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fu_k radio hip hop. 90's was the best hip hop ever.

This dude is getting much radio play in Korea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_69jbYocT0&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_HotDog

JUKE 179r wrote:This dude is getting much radio play in Korea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_69jbYocT0&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_HotDog

no disrespect but MC Hotdog sucks... nitro microphone underground from japan has been pretty consistant, not amazing but better than the mainstream garbage in america right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmj7yT5j6Ps

i believe a good portion of hip hop is underground, wayne and 'the others' are not hip hop. they are party music. that is all. people nowadays that listen only listen because they are to stubborn to dig for good music. they want music that is easy to find and listen to it because 'everyone else' does. or they just dont care for good music and only want something that sounds 'good' on their car systems.

DPM wrote:i believe a good portion of hip hop is underground, wayne and 'the others' are not hip hop. they are party music. that is all. people nowadays that listen only listen because they are to stubborn to dig for good music. they want music that is easy to find and listen to it because 'everyone else' does. or they just dont care for good music and only want something that sounds 'good' on their car systems.

plus

JesseHolmz wrote:

JUKE 179r wrote:This dude is getting much radio play in Korea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_69jbYocT0&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_HotDog

no disrespect but MC Hotdog sucks... nitro microphone underground from japan has been pretty consistant, not amazing but better than the mainstream garbage in america right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmj7yT5j6Ps

I just threw this crap on there just to show what the hell is killing hiphop overseas. Just bloody awful....

Its commercialism in my eyes.
Its everywhere not just in our beloved Hip-Hop...
In the UK, we love our football(Soccer, Fusball etc), players now are getting £150,000 per week and their performances, most of the time, dont even warrant £150p/w... but we still go and pay to see them.
It can be seen in Hip-Hop, cats are finding new ways to make $$'s becasue they can enter new markets. Ever since Eminem came out with Slim Shady (and no way am i blaming a true lyricist, of which we are laking in huuuge numbers), he opened it up to a whole new audience. So white 14 year old kids are buying Lil Wayne, Kanye etc and not going back to the history books and actually getting the core of hip-hop. Ask most 15 year olds who say they only listen to Hip-hop what the 4 pillars of Hip-hop is they will say money, whips, bitches and weed. thats a direct quote from my cousin!

I played teacher for 3 hours to get him on the right track, thankfully i saved his life, his mind and his ears that night!

P.S...im not blaiming it on white kids either....cos i dont dl i buy everything i own apart from maybe a few Atmosphere mp3's and the 2pac collections.

It'll rise again from somewhere, but we gotta make it happen

I just think that the "Golden Era" was the peak, and there is a good chance that hip hop won't ever get to that point again. There was some good stuff that has reverberated through out the late 90's, and some even trickles out to this day. But hip hop best days are behind it. I think we just have to come to terms with that. You can even see this in other genres. I spoken to few hardcore punk heads, and they all say that their "golden era" was the early to mid 80's and its never got back to that point since.

Other factors come into play in regards to making an era special. It could be social, political, and just the general mood of people. All these factors can be heard in the music. An example is the late 60's/early 70's music. Things like the Vietnam, civil rights movement, counterculture, etc. translated through the music and created many classics.

It will be tough for hip hop to be as interesting as it was.

crusoe wrote:Hip hop isn't dead, or we wouldn't all be here. I think the problem is that like everything, hip hop has evolved, splintered and diversified. There's a dominating 'sound' in each era of hip hop, but if you dig deeper there's so many facets to each era you can't dismiss. What we know as the golden era came about from people experimenting and and pushing the sound forward. It's music that most of us grew up with, and because it sounds so **** good it created the global culture hip hop is now. This culture has been commercialized, so the sound that your average man in the street associates with hip hop nowadays is trashy MTV pop music. Real heads look at the last two years and think of stuff like Dilla, Madlib, 9th, Doom etc.

When people ask me what music I'm in to, and I say hip hop, I sometimes feel like I have to justify it - "I like hip hop but not **** like Lil Wayne and 50 Cent". It's embarrassing you know? The hip hop I listen to is so far from the 'hip hop' in the charts, it's like comparing tom waits and the beach boys.

Anyway, here's some stuff from outside of the states that proves hip hop is alive, kicking and smoking big ol blunts.

Pete Philly & Perquisite - Grateful
Tumi and the Volume - What It's All About
Sonnyjim & Kosyne - Plan B
Guts - And the Living is Easy
Supreme NTM feat Lord Kossity - Ma Benz

yeah its humiliating to even be compared to the new age lil wayne pop nonsense. its too fake. the "new hip hop" has nothing to do with the hip hop i make or listen to.

PadPusha wrote:In the UK, we love our football(Soccer, Fusball etc), players now are getting £150,000 per week and their performances, most of the time, dont even warrant £150p/w... but we still go and pay to see them.

Yeah, but at least they are playing soccer. This is more like players goin out on the field and playing poker.

the hip hop station in LA is just an excuse to play pretty much two types of music - pop and dance. all commercial, sythed out beats that are pretty tacky...808 sub kick with a electronic high pitched clap...and for some reason its always that southern feel now. this music is huge in clubs all over hollywood. people love that music and there must be a demand for that stuff since theres sooo much money involved. however, i mean you cant compare this music to prince among thieves, roots, busta or anything dilla put out. this music really isnt made for the authenticity or originality. but what do i know? im pretty sure alot of the material put out is simply for one thing... maybe two. money and... to have people shake that booty. ill never say hip hop is dead. i will say screw it, go ahead and shake that ass and make money with whack music that ive probably (hypocritically) have danced and gotten drunk to, but what confuses me is - why still label it hip hop?

HipHop/Rap is not dead! Might be changed, but definitely alive and kicking.