sampling from vinyl

does anyone know where i can get some good pointers on sampling from vinyl?

im having trouble with sampling, my lack of patience to sit and listen for samples is 90% of the problem though.

i have about 1500 records i had previously bought, ahead of time, even before i had finalize what kind of sam[pler i was getting.

i had a really chanceful oppourtunity, 1 and a million. so i bought over 3000 records at the price in gas it took me to pick them up.

however, some of them were beyond unsampleable, some i could sell and make some money, some were unopened, etc...

80% of the ones i kept are classical, some jazz, some blues, some of this and that.

im having trouble finding those primo samples in this classical crap. and the dope samples i do find, i've heard producers take them already. i al;ready bumped into a few samples that alchemist took, and i think STOOPE from jedi minds productions.

my main question, where does everyone who sample from vinyl get their samples, and im not talkin drums, im talking themes, loops, backround sounds, melodies, etc..

peace

Patience, years and years of collecting, and a good ear is the formula you are looking for. Might I suggest picking up the latest issue of Waxpoetics. There is an insane article about the old New York Record Convention. All the dopest producers put in mad work at all the meets and shows for years etc. You should also peep the interview with Dante Ross. He talks about sampling a bit and how the first Brand Nubain record sampled Edie Brickell and it was a hit. Who would have ever thought? Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. I feel your frustration when comes to looking for that perfect sample to match your drums or whatever etc.. I have over 5000 records and have spent endless hours just searching. I try to make notes on post-its and stick them to the records for later if I hear something dope but it doesn't quite fit what I'm working on at the moment. Just a few sugestions. Peace.
Heavy

the dude from jedi mind is stoupe* just keep at it man, to sample you have to have a patient ear, and pay good attention to the records, i usualy litsen t the song 2 or 3 times before i sample it

thanks for the correction

yeah that post-its is a good idea. right now i just put potential good record seprate from the stacks i got

now maybe its just my sampling technique. if i try to take small short samples, then put them all together, then the problem is making all the melody/themes match and flow together. or i take a long loop, count the the spots when i can put the beat, and, if its a multiple of 4 then i'll take it, and use it for a bar, or two or 3 or the whole main verse.
i'll take other samples before and after it to use as intros or hooks, so idealy it all flows together becasue its all from the same track. you knwo what im saying?

peace, thanks for the responses

Patience as the others on here said...

I used to get frustrated cause I couldn't mix and match samples like the big underground producers do... I mean they do it pretty seemlessly...

I'm just now startin to get a really good ear for this... I've been workin seriously at this for the last year... It takes time, but have patience and you'll see how fast it really all seems to come together...

Stay with it man...

And that post-its idea is a great one... I actually put labels on my records with Breaks on them... I put B for Bass Break, P for Percussion, D for Drum Break etc... Everyone develops their own system though I guess...

But if not all your records are in sleeves then your post-its will come off. I actually use small round stickers because I found that the post-its come off unless they are stuck between the cardboard and the clear plastic sleeve. I usually note at least three things....
1. The overall feel - Bluesy jazz with horns etc...
2. Possible samples and what they are - drums, bass etc...
3. Good tracks labeled with the side/track #

One of my typical stickers might read:
Country rock
Open drums b/4
horns a/2
b/2 play out/dancefloor

Get it?

Also you should listen to J-zones production (if you haven't already). I think he is one of the masters of the 8th note sample. He is rediculous. Sometimes it sounds like he samples 8 different records with each sample being 1/8 note in length and then uses them all together in one standard bar! That's redic man!!
Peace.
Heavy

Yea J-Zone is nice and he does have that technique down...

I wouldn't want to have my production sound like that, but I definitely respect his skills... Alot of what he does is done through filtering though...

You can't tell that all his one-shots are from records because he runs them thru the same filters (e.g. Telephone style filter)... SO they end up having the same tonal quality and match better...