Lopsided shit beats

sup,

aiight so you find a nice clean sample, something u can work with. You sample it in, and it needs a little stretch work. You do that, and put some drums to it, a little bass maybe. Sh*t sounds good, so you keep refining.

Then after a few minutes of listening, your sh*t sounds farrken LOP sided, like the beat doesnt come in completely perfect on the 001, or the snare sounds too late. I end up pissing around for hours with tempo, timing and event edit to try and sort this out - no matter what, I can never smooth that small lump over.
And when it comes to rhyming over it, it sounds dope........wassup?

pz
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Well, for starters.... real drummers aren't quantised. Neither are piano players, brass players, bassists or guitarists. You can only hope for so much rigidness from a human being. But i feel you, it can be frustrating. Just turn off your quantise/timing and play live to the sample..... freak that shit on the fly.

tru tru, i like my shit to be on point, sometimes with 1/32 or just off I can never get the hits right in perfect time, even using events....
pz
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Archetype_J wrote:Well, for starters.... real drummers aren't quantised. Neither are piano players, brass players, bassists or guitarists. You can only hope for so much rigidness from a human being. But i feel you, it can be frustrating. Just turn off your quantise/timing and play live to the sample..... freak that **** on the fly.

hellyea, it just takes time to get used to...

much of the time that offitude sounds good to me, its the reason to take a longer sample and not a bunch of hits . . . but if it really aint working:

theres a feature in ableton Live, where it kinda chops samples like recycle, except instead of splitting the file the chop points are stretched to the beat, and you can time stretch just the part you want to tweak a bit, and you can do it in real time - and have your mpc controlling the timing with midi. im just getting into ablton, but that feature alone is quite something. you can tweak samples just a little bit or you can go buckwild on the markers and get some crazy sounds/timing going on.

Practice and quantize off.

how long is the sample?


if it's more than 1 bar make sure you split it up into 1 bar segments.
i suppose it depends on the sample but try making sure each 1 bar segment loops perfectly and then just add them together.


i remember gettin very frustrated over how my drums weren't in time with the sample even though i had it looped perfectly, and it was because it was more than 1 bar long

chop it!

im still trying to learn how to make a sample loop perfect to a beat.any suggestion or help?

Science wrote:im still trying to learn how to make a sample loop perfect to a beat.any suggestion or help?

cut it in half (use math in the trim page), then cut the halves into halves. assign each separate sample to bars 1-4 (this applies to a standard 4 bar loop) then adjust the tempo til all 4 chops have no gaps.

timing is all relative...if you only shift one element around it can make it sound worse as all other elements often need shifting too...so if you move something back three ticks cos it is sounding too early it can cause all your subsequent hits to sound slightly rushed...this is why quantize beats always sound tight despite being very robotic, of course velocity is your best friend here,..

welcome to my world

greg

Science wrote:im still trying to learn how to make a sample loop perfect to a beat.any suggestion or help?

in the trim screen just get the start point right (use the OPEN WINDOW to zoom in), and count out the beats while you play it. if it's four beats you want it to stop just before you count the fifth beat.

then set the number of beats in the params window to give you the tempo, but remember the tempo it gives you will always be a bit faster.

say if it says "90 BPM", the sample won't loop properly on a 90 BPM beat, it needs to be tuned down to "89.2" perhaps.

does that answer your question?



and BiggieSizedFries, to get rid of the gaps, what i do is join the chops together in the trim window to create 1 bar.

1234 -> 1, 2, 3, 4, -> 3, 2, 1, 4, -> 3214

the gaps are caused by a slight decay that the MPC puts on all individual sounds

try layin down just the hihat....once thats down. do the kick and snare to the hihat.

or do hihat and snare, then kick last.