Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By IllestNoize Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:52 pm
produced by Just Blaze and The Grimy Way produced by the Alchemist. The same sample just flipped 2 totally different ways. You can't say that anyone jacked anyone for the beat, regardless of who produced their song first. Both are SAMPLES of old recordings. So nobody's jacking anybody. They are just using old ideas to make new songs.

By goldenboy35 Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:45 pm
MattMatiks PG wrote:Plus Just Blaze jacks beats... Check Black Moon - "Stay Real"... And then check the "Public Service Announcement" on the Black Album... Evile Dee from Da Beatminerz was on the radio about how he made that beat years ago, but then re-did the beat a little cleaner for the new Black Moon album... Just Blaze's beat for the "PSA" on the Black Album is an exact copy of the original track on Da Beatminerz album...

I heard he jacked other beats, but I can't remember any others off the top of my head...


I read an interview about 6 months ago and listened to it on real player where Just B. explains the entire situation about how the record that he used for PBS Announcement came to his hands and the whole rumor that he jacked that from Black Moon. If I can find it, I'll let yall know the link. Personally, I think Just B. is a dope producer.
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By MattMatiks PG Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:57 pm
It's cool dude someone already posted the link in this thread... I listened to it and it's possible that what he said is true, but I mean it's just as possible that he lied and he did jack it...

You hear about him jackin other beats too... But I mean that's the way it is when you're on top everybody wants a piece of you... So he might be tellin the truth...

By elmacaco Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:08 pm
yeah but record spots do that, they get 10 copies of a joint and hand it to big producers so they come back. They make them feel special like it's the only copy, but it's just their hustle.

I don't know, apparently this happens to JB a lot, so he could be unconsciously influenced or jacking stuff, I suppose time will tell.
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By aaron Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:55 pm
Just blaze didnt jack anything he used the same sample, so what .. if your going to call jb out like that then do the same to all the other cats that have used the impeach the president drums or any other classic break thats been used 90294502095012591252856206072506872337068723602886723672308672306708260727395611501530965186168113438147235408751 times


:roll:
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By beat_banga Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:12 am
zcamel wrote: I heard Allen Iverson say that he wanted to play football but he settled for B-ball cause that's what he was good at.


Not to get off topic but Iverson was a beast in football in high school. We now return you back to your scheduled program. :D
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By zcamel Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:47 pm
Aaron, that is one phat mo'fukin AVATAR pic homie.

By Toecutter Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:24 am
I don't know if that's entirely true about Just Blaze and Jungle music and stuff, he is really into so much underground hip hop. Someone told me he saw a Tame One show and Just Blaze came on stage being his hypeman and he knew all the words to Tame's songs from his album, I dunno of any non Hip Hop fan who knows all the words to an album that's not even on the radio....
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By MattMatiks PG Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:29 am
Oh I'm not sayin he's not a hip-hop fan... I've just heard that the type of music he'd rather make is Jungle... I mean I'm sure he is a hip-hop fan, but I also know that he bought my man's Mixtape which was a DJ Mix of all Jungle and Dark House Remixes of songs and sh*t... And he was tellin him about that he'd rather make that type of music, but it's just hip-hop pays the bills...
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By Prah_860_ Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:36 am
Just Blaze is a real dude.......he is hip hop just like I am........I had a chance to see what he was about and I found out he is a real @$$ dude...anybody who says just blaze don't like hip hop or isn't amped up about hip hop obviously knows nothing about the dude.....and neither have you guys peeped the tracklist of any of his internet shows....just blaze loves hip hop and video games to death......and about "stay real" and "PSA" I would say beatminerz got the drop on just blaze's version becuz I think beatminerz flipped the sample and made better use of it...more chops and all......I guess A lot of cats overlooked that fact....there is elements that just blaze's version falls short on.....(the drums......the beatminerz pattern is hotter while just blaze's hit harder)
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By Forest Parks Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:31 pm
Allen Iverson was all-state in football and basketball...


...he's FAST...I think he coulda played a mean cornerback


...It ain't Black Moon's record 'cause they stole it from somebody else.
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By Blue Haze Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:51 pm
The beat maker contest on the Crate or another site says it all you can have three or four mofos with the same sample and each with give you his or hers interpetations. You can have two drummers playing the same beats and each player with have his own nuance and feel to the groove. Two djs playing the same records each with different pitches, tempos, and blends with their next records. The main thing is the move the crowds or at least have them bobbing their heads. And all djs and musicans especially early hip hop listened to all kinds of music for all kinds of breaks. Now if you dig into like Depeche Mode or Prodigy you can dig into how they eq, signal processed and sped up the samples. And it`s a sources of new sounds. thinking out the box to stay ahead of the next mofo trying to steal your shit!!!!! Even you you had the track first, had the first copy when it came out, or found the shit in the bin in ****, idaho is has always be about the ear and how the producer freaks it as long as it soundssssssssss good. The better man with the better beats gets more spins on the turntable with a nice rapper of course. Noone would listen to your shit without the lyrical wordplay. Just Blazzze On. And keep diggin Dee coming up with that evil shit. :D
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By bhunt Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:12 pm
I think he gave a shout out to his man jack in that invterview, get it "JACK"
I can't listin now because I'm at work but somebody can check.
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By DjKinetik Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:53 pm
Basically, anybody can pick a sample and do something with it...so what if they got the same sample...like Blue Haze said, the whole world could have the same sample and the record will come off different...Juvenile used the Cameo joint on Bounce Back, but Krayzie Bone used that sample years ago on Art of War, but the songs aren't even close to being the same...If u are creative, u will never sound like anyone else...EVER...if u say u got a beat that sounds just like any other producer, u need to step ur game up and do u...I ain't talkin bout style, I'm talkin bout sound...Have ur own sound...
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JB

By Donjay Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:30 am
Prah_860_ wrote:Just Blaze is a real dude.......he is hip hop just like I am........I had a chance to see what he was about and I found out he is a real @$$ dude...anybody who says just blaze don't like hip hop or isn't amped up about hip hop obviously knows nothing about the dude.....and neither have you guys peeped the tracklist of any of his internet shows....just blaze loves hip hop and video games to death......and about "stay real" and "PSA" I would say beatminerz got the drop on just blaze's version becuz I think beatminerz flipped the sample and made better use of it...more chops and all......I guess A lot of cats overlooked that fact....there is elements that just blaze's version falls short on.....(the drums......the beatminerz pattern is hotter while just blaze's hit harder)


If yall get a chance if you haven't already.... Check out Usher's CD JB did a track on his album. Im gettin drums of that peace.