mpc60 or S950 with mpc 1000

hello,

I heard the mpc60 is the same sampler than s950? Is that true?
I have a mpc1000, and I am thinking of buying a s950 to get that 12 bit sound for some drums...
S950 would be triggered by mpc1000 pads.
Is this a good idea?

Yes it's a good idea. But the s950 doesn't sound like the 60.

Marc The Drummer wrote:Yes it's a good idea. But the s950 doesn't sound like the 60.

You're right, it's like the 60 on steroids.

A 1k with JJ OS, new style pads and a S-950 is a much better look than the 60 but if you like the layout and older style workflow the 60 could be what you want.

However you lose an abundance of features by leaving the 1k.

An mpc60 is probably harder to get by and more expensive.
The mpc60 has a bitrate up to 40khz, the s950 up to 48khz.
The s950 has the notorious low pass filter. The mpc60 has none.
The mpc60 comes with a sequencer. The s950 doesn't has one, but u already have the 1000 for that. Mpc60's ram is expendable up to 1,5 mb, the s950's ram is expendable up to 2.25 mb.

Both do sound practically the same. The s950 has some more features.
I went for the s950 route. It's all up to u what u prefer, but these things written above are defenitaly worth to consider before u make ur decision.

If you're only planning on using the sampler for short bursts of drums, also look at the S900 sampler. The S900 is considerably cheaper than the S950. If you get the OS4 disk for the S900, it will have many of the same features as the S950 but without the extra RAM.

For 12-bit sampling, you could also go the S612 or S700 route, but those samplers use QuickDisks which are very difficult to find these days.

I have the same setup running the S950 with MPC 1000. I trigger and sequence the on MPC1000 with no problem. Sometimes I would take my drums/samples from the MPC1000 and run it through the S950 and back in to the MP for that grime.

Menco wrote:The mpc60 has a bitrate up to 40khz, the s950 up to 48khz.

Only with the Digital In option.

From my 4 years experience with the s950 I would say it is not a very good machine for drums. It sounds too dark and hardly usable without a decent comp/EQ section. I've never owned one but maybe the mpc60, with its higher sampling rate, would be a better choice.

Sorry for sharing my thoughts and preference but even if I'm in the minority I think it should be said so you got another point of view.

PEace

the emu emax is good choice too for drumz

le rat wrote:

Menco wrote:The mpc60 has a bitrate up to 40khz, the s950 up to 48khz.

Only with the Digital In option.

From my 4 years experience with the s950 I would say it is not a very good machine for drums. It sounds too dark and hardly usable without a decent comp/EQ section. I've never owned one but maybe the mpc60, with its higher sampling rate, would be a better choice.

Sorry for sharing my thoughts and preference but even if I'm in the minority I think it should be said so you got another point of view.

PEace

I dont own a 60 but I doubt it has more bandwidth than the 950.

peace

Menco wrote:The s950 has the notorious low pass filter. The mpc60 has none.

Menco wrote:Both do sound practically the same.

This is why they don't sound the same.

Hi peterpiper,

Here is what you can read in the s950 manual (page 8 of the PDF http://www.samplekings.com/pdfs/S950Manual.pdf)

The S950 enables you to sample and play sounds with astonishing
clarity and dynamic range and because the bandwidth is variable up to 19.2kHz,
you can be sure that high frequencies are faithfully reproduced.

Maybe I'm missing something or I'm mistaken but the maximum sampling rate of 48khz is only if you have a IB105 or IB109 extension with which you sample through digital in (you can also check these manuals). I've never speak with or read someone's post about digital sampling in s950s though.

Anyway for my stuff, the s950 sounds too dark to me.
Peace

There's a difference between SAMPLE RATE and BANDWITH.
The s950 is a great sampler if u want dark/grimmey drums.

Sovereign, I was talking about dry sounds.

Menco wrote:Sovereign, I was talking about dry sounds.

I know, my qoute was for people who didn't catch that the filter is what makes the two sound different.
IMO the 3k with proper use of it's filter kill the 60.

I see I'm sorry for the wrong information then.
Peace

le rat wrote:I see I'm sorry for the wrong information then.
Peace

Your info is not completely wrong cause actual the frequency respose of the 950 looks like this

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa18 ... 1264607196

Its not really what I expect when I read 48 kHz samplerate (should result in a frequency respose including 24 kHz signal). The signal starts to fall in amplitude at something about 19500 Hz so bandwidth is roughly said the highest frequency the 950 can sample.
(Of course there is a signal at 20 kHz up to about 23500 but this is so quiet noone ever can hear this)

I wonder how the 60s frequency response would look like. maybe someone could do this and post it (I used white noise, sampled it directly into the 950. I also recorded it directly from the 950 to Adobe Audition and used the 32768 setting in the frequency analysis)
Would also be interesting to see the analysis after using the compression feature in the 60.

peace