sampling from youtube

dcdavie wrote:Point is, YOU call it lazy I call it fast, cheap and convenient. And if I'm correct, isn't fast, cheap and convenient the reason why sampling became as big as it is today. Either way you put it the sound quality isn't the same ounce you've put through your mpc.....

Some people are just stupid......

Sampling is the foundation of hip hop music. Firstly from dj's cutting & looping breaks on vinyl and turntables, and then to looping breaks and samples with samplers. THAT is why sampling is "as big" as it is today. SAMPLING IS HIP HOP. While it is true that early hip hop releases were re-played interpolations of vinyl songs or live synths and 808 tracks(like "rapper's delight" or "planet rock" for example), sampling predates live tracks from the first block parties where hip hop was born.

Fast, cheap and convenient have nothing to do with it.

It wasn't convenient to set up a sound system with amps, speakers, turntables and 20 crates of records at the block party. It wasn't convenient to dig for a year before finding 2 copys of "it's just begun" or "ashley's roachclip" to cut up. It wasn't convenient to save up $3000 back in the eighties to afford a sampler with 2 seconds of sampling time in mono to make beats with. It wasn't convenient for groups to save up enough money to get into a studio to lay down their tracks so they could press a 45 or a lp.

The fact is, hip hop exists today because of the love that the early pioneers of this culture and artform put into it. It sure as hell wasn't because it was fast, easy or convenient. We owe them gratitude and respect as well as owning this artform and culture respect - and we do this by PAYING DUES. Which incidentially was an important part of hip hop culture until the late 90's rolled around...

So don't cop an attitude or assume people are stupid for sticking up for this culture by calling them idiots when you have only tried to make one beat by sampling and have owned an mpc for a year. That ish just doesn't fly.

If you don't have the time, energy, cash or dedication to go out and dig for records, that's fine. Just say that. But to infer that the foundations of this culture are stupid and idiotic just shows a lack of understanding on your part.

BTW - sampling into an mpc might change the sound of youtube sample, sure. But it sure as hell won't make it sound better - or even close to the quality of sampling from a vinyl copy...

j rhodes wrote:
what you've spoken here is the EXACT reason why ppl write off sampling... thinking that its fast cheap and easy... cant be... buy records includes giving each album u purchase @ least 35 mins or less per side... looking for the right loop, hit, whatever... plus... records can go for 1 to anything in terms of coin... YOUTUBE is fast cheap and easy... therefore it's a corner cutting maneuver... thats what sucks cuz these dudes say they reppin hip hop buy turning on the laptop... shyt buggs me being that these dudes can become overnight winners by cutting corners... meanwhile the real hard workers stay up pn the wax... plus shyt cant be a "rare" joint with 66789 posts....

co-sign. some cats are allergic to putting in that work.

^ Exactly, dudes dont want to work for it.

It just the way some like to produce... Nothing ELSE!... U People are turn it into SOO much more than what it is. I like choose or arguing over an analog synth and a digital synth... There is no point!

I love the feel and sound of analog but doesn't mean that I wouldn't use digital... I can't live without my MicroKorg(analog) but I could say the same about my V-synth(digital)....

Same thing goes for the youtube... Yes!... the quality isn't the same but neithre is the sample after it's gone thru your mpc..... Piont is all that matters is your final product... As long as you have someone that !KNOWS!... What they're doing when it comes to mixing and Mastering it will come out sounds good as long as the actual production is good....

AND for the dude that said people that rearrange samples is just arrangers... Well if you are calling a person that take a song cutting it and rearranging it, adding drums and a bassline is an arranger hen that make every sampling producer an arranger......


WOW!!!!


Back in the day they didn't have the money nor the resources to get paid musicians, expensive recording equipment... So what did they do, they took pieces of songs and REARRANGED it to make a beat...

It was fast easy and convenient because they used what they could actually get their hands on... That didn't mean costing them a crap load of money... If you lived the culture you would know that its PIONEERS were poor and of the ghetto.... and didn't really know how to play instruments...but could feel a groove

Inspired BY: the ghetto, urban life, poverty....... AND Invented by Hostlers

..... ALSO!.... WHAT, are those of us that produce with keyboards not making hip-hop?!... Hip-Hop ain't just sampling.... it's a culture!!!!!!!






If someone

If learning an instrument just to play hip-hop and make beats Ain't work, THEN... I don't know what work is......

(I learned playing Biggie and Pac... Believe it or not... no classes... just hip-hop....lol)


I Luv/Live this culture and wouldn't change to fit a mold.... BUT, Ain't going to hate on anyone just because they're doing something that Someone else doesn't approve of.....

Produce how you want and just do you....

poundaproblem wrote:^ Exactly, dudes dont want to work for it.

Maybe that's why younger cats use youtube and shit? cause actually leaving their house to go for records and digging seems like work. Or they think their "amazing" musical ideas are too important to waste on going for records so they just click away.

For me, quality isn't too big a deal, its important for sure, but just the feeling, like every digger says, is the best thing. You never know what's gonna be there or what record could change your life, that's what's great about it. Plus I just love vintage shit, I love the look of the covers, and all the time and details they put into everything on a record. Kids just want the quickest solution

Thing is that dudes Believe that digging is the ONLY type of work thats placed into a beat......

Tell me......

How many can say..... "well, I don't want to pay royalties or any charges from the owner/label/to anyone associated with the original so... what is the chord progression and what key is it in?.....(pretty much re-make the song you want to sample)

There is other things that can be called "WORK"


In the end sampling is sampling..... Who cares?


All that matters is the creativity of the producer... "Tech" does all the other stuff....


If you want to get all upset about how others do there thing.... Then have fun

dcdavie wrote:Thing is that dudes Believe that digging is the ONLY type of work thats placed into a beat......

Tell me......

How many can say..... "well, I don't want to pay royalties or any charges from the owner/label/to anyone associated with the original so... what is the chord progression and what key is it in?.....(pretty much re-make the song you want to sample)

There is other things that can be called "WORK"


In the end sampling is sampling..... Who cares?


All that matters is the creativity of the producer... "Tech" does all the other stuff....


If you want to get all upset about how others do there thing.... Then have fun

even if u rework someones joint, u have to pay for it...

diggin is like ya pops handing u a football full of sound man... and it does weigh more than u r making it to be... BAD BOY 93wouldnt of hit like they did of it wasnt for the recognizable joints they put out... same can be said about KANYE 00... dude's ego and budget for samples is what put him where he's at... it wasnt his raps or the fact that he was on rocafella... it was the "nostalgia" they brought with their sound... so without that... they wouldnt be here... ppl do pay to remake shyt... pete rock even mentioned it before and ive heard of black milk doing it as well..

keyboard beats are dope when u dont bite off electro... reuse 808 rolls and claim that that synth sound u rock was u gettin busy instead of that roland patch "cream" or somethin... lol

dcdavie wrote:I love the feel and sound of analog but doesn't mean that I wouldn't use digital... I can't live without my MicroKorg(analog) but I could say the same about my V-synth(digital)....

analog modelling != analog

dcdavie wrote:Same thing goes for the youtube... Yes!... the quality isn't the same but neithre is the sample after it's gone thru your mpc.....

C'mon, don't be silly. There is a whole world of difference between the mp3-encoded audio you get from youtube (22KHz 64kbps, or 44KHz 96kpbs for HD) and the slight difference you might get after sampling into your MPC (44KHz no compression).

Edit: looks like I'm out of date, youtube uses AAC now, see http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204 ... itrate.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtube#Quality_and_codecs -- that's still a lossy encoding

MP3 encoding removes parts of the signal that cannot be recovered, based on psychoacoustic models that say which parts of the audio won't be missed (for some value of "won't"). It might sound ok initially, but apply any EQ or filters to it and you might end up with **** noise, or exaggerate the mp3 artefacts.

I'm a vinyl junkie and I own maybe a dozen mp3 files, max, but I think samples are samples, I don't care where you get them. But poor quality is poor quality. Period.

On the other hand, if you only want to make music for the mp3 generation to listen to on youtube/ipod/ringtones then sound quality doesn't seem to matter. The Sizzling Sound of Music makes me very sad.

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:

dcdavie wrote:I love the feel and sound of analog but doesn't mean that I wouldn't use digital... I can't live without my MicroKorg(analog) but I could say the same about my V-synth(digital)....

dcdavie wrote:Same thing goes for the youtube... Yes!... the quality isn't the same but neithre is the sample after it's gone thru your mpc.....

>>>Analogy<<<<

I'm writing from base so I'll try not to write too much.....

First, I never said there wasn't much of a difference between the end results (digital, analog)....

What I was trying to say is that after it's gone thru the hands of a pro tech which does mixing mastering it will sounds good either way. YES there is a difference but will it change the fact that the beat came out hot(if it's a hot track)....No, the only thing anyone could is.... I wish "he" (producer) would have done....this... or .....that... THAT's all.

I say the word PRO tech because most of us as beat-makers don't really have the know-how or don't dig deep/research the things needed the have a great final product.

I don't care much for sampling... Like I mentioned before is not my "thing"... But if I wanted the sample a random sounds or a voice from a digital source, how gives a ****.....!

If the beat is hot all they MIGHT be able to say is I THINK it would sound a little better if it was done my way...

BUT what's a world without criticism........

I say if people want to things a certain way, leave them be...

JUST DO YOU!

OVER ALL,...... Some of the dudes talking smack on here (not all 'cuz I done know yall)... Probably wouldn't even know the difference until they are told it's digital or analog......

In fact, I want to prove that... I get back home from training in a few weeks... and I'll post a video or something... and we'll see how many can tell the difference.... I'm pretty sure I'm going to be laughing after.....

Trying to get at others for no reason... If you don't like how they get it done, then don't do it their way....(that easy)...

AGAIN I DON'T produce with samples...NOT MY THING... so those of you that like type shit without reading.... PLEASE READ...... It should be easy...

dcdavie wrote:

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:...

hey, you missed out where I said "I think samples are samples, I don't care where you get them"

dcdavie wrote:What I was trying to say is that after it's gone thru the hands of a pro tech which does mixing mastering it will sounds good either way.

OK, that's a different matter. I was only responding to what you said about quality not being the same "after it's gone thru your mpc"

dcdavie wrote:AGAIN I DON'T produce with samples...NOT MY THING... so those of you that like type **** without reading.... PLEASE READ...... It should be easy...

I do hope that's not directed at me, I was talking about sound quality, not getting at anyone. I quoted exactly what I was responding to, and I read it first. I was responding to a particular claim you made, which was nothing to do with whether you use samples or not, and not a criticism of anyone's work. Again, I think samples are samples, I don't care where you get them

i sample from youtube all the time.
what i do is use the program Audacity, set it to wave out mix
then start recording. itll record whatever sound is coming out of your
speakers. then just chop what you want and import the samples to the mpc.
i also sample off of internet radio stations like pandora.

Downloading is not digging. Phuck sampling from youtube.

poundaproblem wrote:Downloading is not digging. Phuck sampling from youtube.

I'd forgotten this thread was in the diggers section. It is pretty insulting to compare pootube sampling with the ancient tradition of hunting wax.

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:

poundaproblem wrote:Downloading is not digging. Phuck sampling from youtube.

I'd forgotten this thread was in the diggers section. It is pretty insulting to compare pootube sampling with the ancient tradition of hunting wax.

+1

you guys,. always crying when someone talks about sampling the net.. lol.. yo, if ya gonna sample the net there are way better quality sites then youtube to do it from, im not gonna give out any names,. i love to go digging vinyl, we've got sum great places here in seattle, but i actually have a few secret stores i go to in another part of washington about an hour drive from seattle, the shops are slept on, and not picked threw at all, i find brand new vinyl from the 60's still sealed for under 5.00, so you can imagine what the used stuff goes for,.. sample anything and everything, but if you can get better quality then youtube go for it..