givin up the mpc for software

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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By BGBEATS Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:44 pm
goldslum wrote:i sold my mp, copped a apc and mpd, jumped on to ableton, learned my way around well after around 3 weeks. returned all that gear back, now i have nothing... i'm on a hiatus until i get money to get an mp again.. it'll be the last one i ever get, cause it's the last piece of gear i'm sticking with.

it just wasn't the same. you'll wanna sell all those features down river the minute you realize you sold out the main reason you got in to making beats, for fun.

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agree 100%

easy yes

more features yes


is "the process" as much fun?


hell naw mpc / other hardware units affect your brain different than a mouse does and even with an apc 40 or other do it all midi controller, your computer instincts won't let you stop reaching for the mouse.. well i couldn't shake the habit
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By grimly_i Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:52 am
Sovereign wrote:
konc3pt wrote:
Coz wrote:By the time they reach LIVE 10 no telling how much will have been added or improved.
With them understanding the need for dedicated hardward it's a very promising the direction they are heading.
With a more refined controller the workflow of LIVE could become really transparent to the user.


I like the CONCEPT of Live a lot (quick, easy sequencing that can be "played" live just like an MPC can) but I really despise software for
a) sound quality
b) frequent crashes
c) laptop sets are less fun, for crowd and performer.

I speak from experience on these.

Now with shit like the APC 40, Maschine, monome, blah blah blah we see point C) being nullified since it brings a lot of the "human" interactivity back to electronic music. It's an exciting time but I'm not ready to make the switch yet. There's still stability to handle (sound quality doesn't matter as much in a live setting). What I'm waiting on is something stable and powerful that can be played live easily. I think the Miko labs ish is the way of the future and once they have a super tight drum machine styled beast (because they're all keyboard-y now) I'll start migrating that way. Once they can remove the need to look at a screen and the worry of using a complicated computer interface and make me feel like I'm interacting with my music in a meaningful way, they'll have my heart.

I respect all those who want to have to deal with constant software updates, crashes, data loss, wonky controls and sensitive devices...just ain't for me. I just like my MPC.
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By Doglamp Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:14 pm
grimly_i wrote:I respect all those who want to have to deal with constant software updates, crashes, data loss, wonky controls and sensitive devices...just ain't for me..


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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By konc3pt Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:00 pm
hardware dont crash ?... few times live crashed on me at next startup I was asked if I want to restore previous session I was working in...good luck restoring previous session on hardware unless you save frequently.
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By grimly_i Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:23 pm
konc3pt wrote:hardware dont crash ?... few times live crashed on me at next startup I was asked if I want to restore previous session I was working in...good luck restoring previous session on hardware unless you save frequently.


Aight this could get pedantic in a hurry, but my 2500 has never crashed on me (except the time I tried to do note repeat 32nds at 300bpm). I will concede that hardware is capable of crashing, but the frequency is muuuch less. Real lesson? Save early save often on any platform. I'm not trying to incite some "HARDWARE IS BETTER", "NO **** YOUR STUPID FACE, SOFTWARE IS BETTER" riot, just illustrate the current state of gear. I still use a computer for a lot of stuff (including recording music) just not for making music. I just don't have the patience for it right now. I work on computers like 10+ hours a day and I'm **** tired of staring at display and using a mouse.

My main point: hardware still reigns for me at this point in time. Check me in 5 years (or less?) and the story could be much different. It's all kind of a moot point given that hardware and software are going to converge more and more, then we can all be one big happy family.

PS: I'm all about software stability if you're talking Renoise/Protracker/Atari/Amiga?
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By mr_debauch Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:37 am
grimly_i wrote: I really despise software for
a) sound quality



that detail is on you... you buy a sh!t interface you wont get the best sound. Not saying you need an apogee, but a lot of middle of the road sound cards these days come with higher end components then the MPC itself.

as for the software crash stuff, did you just join the forums?


listen, hardware is a lot funner... but you dont need to try and make that point by inventing sh!t to say about software. As the other guy said, it aint 2005, apple didn't just start packing intel cpus last week and vista didn't just come out yesterday.
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By **valentin** Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:05 am
grimly_i wrote:
**valentin** wrote:oh no here we go. a classic 05' debate.

Man, did you even read what I wrote? Here's the Cliff Notes: each has their merits and pitfalls, I'll take hardware. THE END.



i wasnt taking sides.


well soon youll come over to the dark side.....................


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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By dryad-66 Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:38 pm
ill just chip in!!a lot of peeps nowadays use the puter for work and a lot of other things internet for instance.the last thing they want to do is also then do there music on it.like all there music.of course in the end computer rules.one day(maybe already) it will take the place of your brain ears eyes everything.who wins-bill gtes and steve jobs :lol: hardware is personal in that it does one job(hopefully) well.there fore better quality.less is more.its just not like the good ole days wit the software(matter of opinion).eye and neck strain anyone??but its definately superior for arranging your finished product.cheers

Re: givin up the mpc for software

By mainiakist Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:48 pm
dude, unless you are used to working on a computer to make music i would completely advise against switching completely...if you use them both together than you will be better off....if you are familiar with hardware and have gotten creative with it...be ready for a completely different workflow..with a computer and software the options are endless...which can be a double edge sword....sometimes a device that forces you to improvise can be a better thing...another thing is computers have sound cards that sound shitty compared to a hardware unit which actually is a computer but one that is designed only for sound...a home computer is not...you can buy upgraded sound cards to make this better but i still doubt they sound as good as an mpc or something similar. but id say if you do get software, don t go wuth the expensive big dogs..like pro tools cubase or albeton, they are overpriced for what they offer in my opinion...fl studio is underated prob mostly cause of its name...but it is so slept on and if you buy it online you get free updates...so evrytime a new vsti by their company or any time new tech is intricated with daws, you will get that upgrade for free...im sure with all the other ones all you get is that program, thats it..and for hundreds of dollars more for a program that has less features and a BORNING workflow.
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Re: givin up the mpc for software

By hiphoppa Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:30 pm
I'll add this:

No way should a [musician] beat maker get rid of essential equipment. Everything in music cycles. (watch, people are gonna start to discredit the rolling snares on beats nowadays...) and 808's are back and getting tiring because of the many uses/configuration we have heard it go through. IF you can do damage with the hardware I say keep it... but as a Hip Hopper and loyal to it... I will never get rid of the small amount of HW I own... it will all sound good... as long as YOU make it sound good...

[bout to get deep folks]


If you are looking to make Hip Hop/soulful music, then stick with what producers from then had to work with and then see if you are up to the task of creating fascinating music. I'm Hip Hop through and through and as struggle with making beats on my equipment, I love that that is what I'm doing.

I love the beats.

I love the essence.

I love working for that better production for my craft that I make NO MONEY off of... but I have my revelations, even as of late. Prolly why I got deep for a minute... maybe the blunt to, be hey.
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