MattMatiks PG wrote:Boogie Man wrote:MattMatiks PG wrote:Hip-hop was based on takin breaks... Not takkin other producers hard work and flippin it... ..
When you sample a drum roll from an old break record, aren't you sampling someone else's hard work and flippin it when you nicely fit it into your track? Thats what they all did back in the days. Before they had samplers, cats were recording these breaks and rhyming over them, and selling their tapes.. Hip-hop was based on taking brakes..
This whole "sample code" this is basically "I just sampled this note or loop, so you cant sample it the same way." Which I agree with. I dont think its right to straight bite off the style of another producers track. But damn, where talking about taking a fraction of a second and manipulating it to our liking. Kicks and Snares.
The only thing I really feel is biting is when certain producers sample an entire loop of a new hiphop joint. Especially when it used exclusively to create a song. Jermain Dupri did this a few times. He obviously can create original shit, but damn... He straight up sampled Momma Loves Me from the Blueprint, complete with Jay-Z's adlibs in the background. Its the first song on Anthony Hamilton's album. I like the song, but damn that shit was on some lazy shit. How can you sample the entire track, then put your name on the producer credits..That's what's wack. If there is a code to be broken, damn that's it right there!! But as for sampling Kicks and Snares, honestly it does not matter. I dont mean sampling the kick straight up. I could sample the kick from grinding and create 5 different kicks, and none of you would Ever know the difference. If I put a track out using these kicks and someone samples that kick from me, does that make them lazy too?
Also, Marley Marl, Pete Rock, The Beatminers, and a host of others used impeach the president. Some used the entire loop, some chopped up the drums, didn't alter the nature of them, but changed the arangement. Did Pete Rock break some sort of "code" when he used these drums for "Fakin Jax" when he used it in '96 or did Beatminers break the "code" when they used it for "bucktown" and "Shinin....Next Shit" in '95? Who was Marley Marl paying homage to when he used the straight loop for "Around the way girl" and BBD's "Do Me RMX" back in 1990. They didn't use those drums to pay homage, they used it because the drums were dope, and they felt like they could flip it differently, and all of those joints were hot. (Not sure about "Do Me" though:) )
I think it IS wack to jack a LOOP someone sampled recently and use it the same way. Like R&B producers (who seem to be the same cats producing hiphop these days) who use current hiphop tracks to create r&b songs then get the original rap artist on it to give it validity..That's wack to me. This seems like an attempt to hide the fact that
some of these cats dont have the talent to create their own edgy r&b tracks.
But if we're talking about a sampling drum hits, it doesnt matter where the hell its coming from. If you truly love what your doing your not going to have your kicks sounding the same as everybody elses. I work hard sampling drums and creating kits from all kinds of sources, but you'll never know where they came from. Sometimes I forget where some of these kicks and snares came from. This is really not that serious..
