Maschine...

Coz wrote:So how do you rate the effects so far?

Good. Not waves but good as battery`s or kontakts.

saintjoe wrote:I think it will remain a hybrid product, and I also think other companies will follow. I would also love to see them do something similar for keyboard users, something similar to Maschine but in keyboard form, where you can access their devices from the controller. Sort of a hybrid product based on the keyboard workstation concept. Would be dope, Especially if it integrated with maschine.

Something like this?

Lotuz wrote:

saintjoe wrote:I think it will remain a hybrid product, and I also think other companies will follow. I would also love to see them do something similar for keyboard users, something similar to Maschine but in keyboard form, where you can access their devices from the controller. Sort of a hybrid product based on the keyboard workstation concept. Would be dope, Especially if it integrated with maschine.

Something like this?

i know a guy who has that midi controller... it is neat! however it is small, you could fit that in a backpack.

nah not like that, more like maschine with real feedback and such on the screen. Somethin like a motif or triton style workstation for NI sounds. Bein able do browse and edit sounds and everything from the controller but everything is eunnin off the computer. That one is like the autiria analog factory, that and the korg aren't the same type of I'm thinkin about

but we will see how it goes. Maybe one of the big three will do it first

Blue Haze wrote:

Coz wrote:So how do you rate the effects so far?

Good. Not waves but good as battery`s or kontakts.

Cool... Definitely useful then.

Askia Shaheed wrote:Maschine doesn't feel like an MPC because its not an MPC.

You'd have to define "feel". Long time MPC users like myself who also own Maschine know that it feels like an MPC in terms of workflow found in hardware as opposed to matching a midi controller to software. There are obviously differences as Maschine is not a replicate of the MPC but goes beyond it.

Askia Shaheed wrote:As far as being a full blown sampler...take a look at any leading software sampler on the market. Maschine is under-powered compared to all of them. I feel like NI crippled the software in Machine as not to impact the sales of Battery and Kontakt.

Again, Battery and Kontakt are for users who don't mind clicking around with a mouse and having to stare at a computer screen all the time. I think NI knew exactly what it was doing and what Maschine needed in order to make a hybrid that has the instrument-like workflow of hardware with everything is quickly accessible at your fingertips. From the way NI is continuing to develop it, you can tell they're not likely to implement something unless it fits with the instrument-like feel of Maschine. It's just a really well thought out concept and they seem to be very careful about maintaining that.

Askia Shaheed wrote:You ask me for specifics about why Logic or an MPC is better at sequencing Logic's sampler. These items have been standards in music production. The question you must answer is what makes Maschine better at sequencing.

The benefit of sequencing with Maschine is that it gives you a hardware feel and workflow like MPC but with superior integration in a software DAW environment. It's also more versatile like having a very powerful tactile step sequencer with visual feedback, ability to assign, tweak and record knob movements quickly with all of its knobs and buttons and two LCD displays, not to mention being an excellent midi controller for other software as well. As for Logic, it just can't be compared. You're not going to get the workflow of hardware by using Logic with a midi controller. The point of Maschine is its efficient and instrument-like workflow that until now was only associated with standalone hardware.

Askia Shaheed wrote:What I believe NI needs to understand is that an MPC is a serious percussion tool. Battery is more in line with an MPC in this regard.

I think NI does understand the benefits as well as the limitations of MPCs. That's why they created Maschine instead of just being happy with Battery. I just don't see how Battery could be considered more in line with MPC than Maschine.

Askia Shaheed wrote:Why would someone "need" Maschine when Logic has a superior sampler (which can import numerous formats) and an MPC is the best tool on the market for percussion sequencing?

Askia Shaheed wrote:Logic alone will do just fine if that is the case or even using Battery as a plug-in within Logic. If MPCs are not everything...then it is a head scratcher why some many products attempt to duplicate an MPC.

It really does sound like you're missing the point of Maschine. Logic + Battery doesn't even come close to what Maschine gives you no matter what midi controller you use with them. What is the "best tool" for percussion sequencing is a matter of taste and what works best for the individual. And like others have said, Maschine doesn't duplicate the MPC. It improves upon it in ways that in my opinion Akai should have done with the MPCs.

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@emptysea
If you are not the team that is producing Mashine, there is no point on debating with you. I will get the feedback to the folks that can make it happen.

When machine was released, I immediately saw its promise. However, it lacked numerous features that many MPC-users want and need. The first response from plenty of people was that it wasn't an MPC. Fast-forward to today, and several of those features were added to the last two OS updates

What MPC-users want ):
1. Fully functional sampler (On par w/ MPC 4000/5000, Kontakt, etc and compatible with standard sampler formats)

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I just wish it had additional midi outs so that I could sequence all of my external hardware (1 midi out doesn't cut it for me) and then be able to track out or rewire to my daw.
That should at least be a user option.
That being said, I still may go ahead and make the purchase.

PS..... I understand my wants and needs may differ from traditional
beat makers.

mjames4208 wrote:I just wish it had additional midi outs so that I could sequence all of my external hardware (1 midi out doesn't cut it for me) and then be able to track out or rewire to my daw.
That should at least be a user option.
That being said, I still may go ahead and make the purchase.

PS..... I understand my wants and needs may differ from traditional
beat makers.

I think you have a valid point. It would be dope if they could at least make Maschine capable of seeing a multi midi out interface, so if you had a midi man or some other multiple midi port, they would all show up as output in maschine and then let you route however you want. I would hope they include something like this in the future for those who need to sequence a bunch of external racks and modules...

Askia Shaheed wrote:What MPC-users want ):
1. Fully functional sampler (On par w/ MPC 4000/5000, Kontakt, etc and compatible with standard sampler formats)

Speak for yourself. There are many MPC users, including myself, who are happy to replace the MPC outright with Maschine. Many MPC users have been frustrated with MPC's limitations in integrating with DAWs and NI saw the need for Maschine. Many MPC users are also very disappointed with AlesisNumarkAkai, endlessly recycling the same technology forever until the market leaves it behind altogether.

I'm not sure how you can suggest Maschine doesn't have a "fully functional sampler". Maschine's sampler is fully functional in the way it's designed. As for supporting different sampler formats, it's a good sign that NI has already implemented MPC program import. NI has been very responsive to user feedback.

holy **** dude, no offense emptysea but shit you seem to dick ride maschine harder than a hoe getting some after waiting for her herps to go away.

emptysea, can you do 16 levels tuning on the maschine?

LvngDead wrote:emptysea, can you do 16 levels tuning on the maschine?

Yes, you can in KEYBOARD/PAD mode.

emptysea wrote:Logic + Battery doesn't even come close to what Maschine gives you no matter what midi controller you use with them.

As a Maschine user and MPC user, this comment brought me full stop and is undoubtedly questionable, in my opinion. If you're referring to having an ergonomic work flow that is the result of Maschine's tight integration between it's tactile control surface and it's software, I can see your point, and will agree. There is indeed a tightly woven interaction between the Maschine hardware and software that a simple controller and DAW often pales to, in comparison. There's nothing like dedicated control surfaces, even the MPC is essentially that concept, standalone. Certainly though I must disagree if you're referring to Maschine having the sheer depth of editing, sound design, and programming abilities of a DAW like Logic coupled with Battery or Kontakt. Maschine is cool, but it's sample playback and editing facilities don't even begin to compare to Battery nor Kontakt and it's sequencer comes nowhere near Logic or the major DAWs. It's a great conduit for ideas. It's fast. It's fun. It's productive. However it has a long road to go before it's mature enough to do what Battery, Kontakt, and a major DAW can do. I really like Maschine, but it's definitely not on par with the aforementioned products feature wise. Again, I bought Maschine to integrate, not replace.

Maschine brings together the fundamentals of what's needed to make sample based music; a sequencer, a sampler, effects, and a controller. Though each of these aspects have been brought together into a very well designed amalgamation of sorts, most of it's components just simply cannot compete with standalone products doing the same thing. It's sequencer cannot compete with a DAW, it's sampler is good but not tops, it's effects are average and it's controller is only slightly better than most. It is Maschine's ambitious design, work flow, integration, the easy expansion benefits of software and the marriage of these simple components brought together in such a symbiotic manner that makes it worthwhile in my opinion.

No offense, and I'm really not trying to get involved with the debates, I'm just saying. Maschine is cool, but if you meant the latter, in my opinion that's reaching a bit.