2000XL or 1000

hey caczka i have the same dillema as you.

from what i can gather
on the one hand the 1000 and the 2500 has the conectivity and storage bennefits. with jj os the patched phrasing looks nifty also. and i can imagine at times a grid editor would be usefull. out of the two just due to the fact that my s3000xl is giving me neck and eye problems im probably leaning toward the 2500 coz of the tilt screen.

but on the other hand i go on you tube and see people like aswell and jel playing live and see that they are using 2000xl. and these are guys who must of spent years refining their craft. and they havent felt the need to "change up" to a 1000 or a 2500.

can this be down to the pads. because for the live stuff they do they have found the 1000 and 2500 pads to be inferior maybe? do they not stand up to the hammering or are they less responsive or simply not as nice feeling? or maybe the pad placement to the centre instead of the right has implacations?

another pro on the 2000xl is that it can send up to 300000 midi messages in a song, i think its only 100000 with the 1000 and 2500.- this would be an issue for me as have alot of external stuff to control.
also, not sure where i read this but i think i did somewhere that the pqn reolution is less on the 1000 and 2500, not sure though.
these two issues seem really strange for later models of an iconic machine thats territory was as a MIDI production center after all. to reduce the upper limit of midi messages and reduce the pqn res wich is important for organic natural sounding sequences, just seems a wierd thing to do.

i also think the 2000xl is a beautifull looking machine and it can obviously stand the test of time(putting liney screens to one side)
aesthetics is a terrible reason to buy one peice of hardware over another tho...

hmm thinking out loud sorry

any one want to comment on any of the things i mentioned would be really helpfull as no music stores round here stock any of the machines discussed here, just a load of the akai mpd controllers.- or if any feels like lending me or cazka their mpc for a week or 2

caczka- sorry for rambeling in your thread mate! let me know what you decide in the end.


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when numark got involved the mighty mpc started 2 change,and the shitty mpd came about...

just compare the 4000 (last AKAI MPC ever) with the 5000,just blaze will tell ya what went wrong

Lampdog wrote:

DJ JEFF wrote:,just blaze will tell ya what went wrong

I totally believe third hand "knowledge".

that thing just blaze wrote on his blog was good though man, went into a lot of detail. helped me decide before i bought an mpc that if i was going to get one it definitely wouldn't be a 5000.

I am using MPC1000 + JJ OS2XL.... and pretty happy with it - still learning...

BUT i am more fasinated by the Old vintage .. sounding MPC's like 2000XL or 3000/ MPC60

and tempted to buy MPC2000XL as an extra for my setup ... but doubt that i would like the
slow workflow after being a JJ OS XL user ?

maybe i should just stick to MPC1000 + JJOS and get the most out of it?

cause all i hear around forums is about MPC60/3000 MPC2000/2000XL sounding much better than MPC1000 / 2500 ?
.....

Just wonder how much this "vintage" sound is overhyped .. and if i could achive
the same dirty LO-FI sound on MPC1000 with "Downsampling" 12 bit option in JJ OS
and some EQ post tweaking in DAW and mastering plugins?

please stop me watching vintage old MPC Ebay auctions
what do u think guys?

2000xl sounds different from 1000's, but 60's\3000's sound totally different!!! this has been covered a lot but...

i owned a 2kxl , a 4k and now im on the 1k jjos2xl....
sound from these three machines are all different, but not THAT much....(i know i'll get tons of insults for this hahahaa)

i tried an mpc60 and must say that sounds really similar to my s950. 12 bits converters are very peculiar.
and yes, you can downgrade samples but that doesnt sound nearly similar to mpc60\s950.

if u are after that gritty sound, just buy an old s900\s950 (they go for cheap) , trigger it with your 1k.
you also gain multisampling facility (even if the poor memory limitate that use a lot)
then you can resample your loops\drumhits with the 1k if you need to clear the 950 memory to load more samples.

that is a good way to retain that good old 60\3000 sound without having to sell your car

sounds like a better idea to use an older Akai sampler
hoked to MPC1000 to get the 12bit sampling and warmer
lo-fi sound!
does S950 use multisampled/multilayerd instruments
to be able to play with midi keyboard controller?
I've never used hardware samplers ,
sorry for. maybe basic question

yes it does but keep in mind that you can have it expanded to max 1 mb ram...... not so much for good multilayered samples....for that stuff i suggest later models.

elektrofone wrote:and tempted to buy MPC2000XL as an extra for my setup ... but doubt that i would like the
slow workflow after being a JJ OS XL user ?

It will slow down ur workflow. (also talking about other vintage samplers)But not that much if u master the machine. Slower doesn't always have to be a bad thing.
I use a s950 quite often and I just like to work with it because I think it's fun working with older gear. It adds another sound to my palet and working with limited gear can spark creativity from another angle.

1k + jj, make it sound thick and nice in your daw later on.

exactly.


what does this tell you?

that the xl sounds better...


If you can freak the xl and know all of its ins and outs, then your much better off.

the 1000 sounds incredulous, seriously.

you can get it down, but there is no avoiding the 2-7k ring and the tinny highs that don't do anything but sound weak when you mix them in.

the pitch shift algorithms have got to be completely ficked up.



tell me you can't take a snare on a 2k or 3k and pitch it down, then filter with a low pass, and make a kick out of it.


the pitch/ filter on a 1k sounds like a filter sweep more than an accurate pitch shift.


I personally **** hate the sound of the 1k.

Quote:
1k + jj, make it sound thick and nice in your daw later on.


exactly.


what does this tell you?

that the xl sounds better...


If you can freak the xl and know all of its ins and outs, then your much better off.

the 1000 sounds incredulous, seriously.

you can get it down, but there is no avoiding the 2-7k ring and the tinny highs that don't do anything but sound weak when you mix them in.

the pitch shift algorithms have got to be completely ficked up.



tell me you can't take a snare on a 2k or 3k and pitch it down, then filter with a low pass, and make a kick out of it.


the pitch/ filter on a 1k sounds like a filter sweep more than an accurate pitch shift.


I personally **** hate the sound of the 1k.

Coming from pure sowtware DAW environment MPC1000 is
my 1st MPC and I was already happy to hear more punchier,
lively sounds coming out if it rather than any software ...

but the more I hear about the older vintage models sounding better,
the more I am tempted to get one to add to the MPC1000 combo.

See few MPC60 and MPC3000 on Ebay - expencive ....
lots of 2000/2000Xl for less..
very few S900/950 samplers for even less....

should I run after MPC60/3000( overhyped???!!) or maybe just get S950 ( hard to work with?)
or maybe there is another vintage 12-bit box on the budget that is NOT EVEN made by AKAI ?

I have about 200-400. eurobucks to burn

found this link , quite nice laydown on the subject
http://www.beatstatus.com/2009/04/recession-gear-mpc-60-sound-on-a-budget/

2kxl and your done.

cf card, 8 outs.

The Grublet wrote:2kxl and your done.

cf card, 8 outs.

really? but why so many ppl here say they never liked its sound and even say its not that much different from MPC1000/2500 ?

What is better on 2000XL feature/workflow compared to 1000 + JJ OS2XL besides maybe sound and how different is that sound?

if you had a chance to compare 2000XL and 1000 side by side on the same samples loaded,
what would u conclude?

P.S. as an idea :
what if we all run some easy sound comparison test
on here that everyone with MPC60/3000/2000/2000XL/4000/1000/25000
samples the same "clean" sample loop
into their MPC's and posts on here
to compare the sound coloration, etc?
whould that be possible?

i own them both.


its about quality of sound...

what you put in to the xl, you get out.


the 1000 digitizes the **** out of the sound. its harsh, ringy, and when you knock it down, you end up with something sounding like it was produced on frootyloops anyway.

the 1000 does not represent the lows well whatsoever, i dont care what anyone says

the filters, although various, do not do justice to the sound like the xl one band does.


you do have to work a little more on the xl, and yes, it should eventually be paired wiht a minimum of an 8 track mixing board... but the 1000, just does not sound accurate to me ( but i make hip hop )