Please, if anyone has a MPC synchronized with a synth, help!

"Mr D, I just and ONLY have a MIDI OUT A cable running into Fantom´s IN."

There's your problem right there. You also need a MIDI out from the Fantom to the MIDI in of the Mp. Without it, there is no way for the Mp to record the keystrokes from the Fantom. I hope that helps, as I stopped reading after this line.

A lot of people who have been doing this for a long time forget how hard this stuff can be to someone who is just starting out. Especially if you don't have anyone to show you. The good thing is, when you learn by yourself, you know why everything is set the way it is. You will learn, I promise you. Just keep at it.

If you still have problems, I want you to turn off all of the sync options. Before you start syncing things (Which I dont think you really want to do here anyway. Syncing is good if you are sequencing the fantom on its own sequencer, then recording the Mp on its own sequencer and having these both play in time together-If you did want to do this MIDI Clock would be better than MIDI Time Code anyways...) If I'm reading this right, you just want to use the MPC sequencer to sequence everything. Hook up your MIDI cables, shut off the sync and try again. If this does not solve the problem, or I've got the wrong idea about what your trying to do, I will try my best to get you there. Peace... I'll be looking for a responce.

Wudsiva, thank you very much for your response...

I dis what you said.

1-I have run a MIDI cable from the MIDI out of the Fantom to the MIDI in A of the MPC. I assume that this will send note and data from the keyboard of the Fantom to the MPC's sequencer.

2 I run a second MIDI cable from the MIDI out of the MPC (A) to the MIDI in of the Fantom. I assume this sends data from the MPC's sequencer to trigger the Fantom's sounds.

3 I also run the audio outputs of both devices to my mixer so I can hear them through my set of speakers.

4.I set FANTOM to Slave MIDI
I turned off FANTOM´s sync output
I turned MMC Mode to Slave,
I turned its mmc output and sync output off.
Device ID: 17
Performance channel: 16
Kbd Patch: 1
Pad Patch: 10
Transmit Program Change : on
transmit bank select: on
transmit active sensing: on
transmit edit data: off
soft through: off
recive kb switch: on
receive program change: off
receive bank select: off
Local Switch: Off

5. MPC--active track receive: ALL---Sof Through: As Track-----Sequence Change: On----Pad to Internal Sounds: On------Sync in: off----Sync out: A Master---- mode: off---mmc send: on

6. I type MIDI 1 Prg off 1A on my mpc
7.I select grand piano in my fantom´s performance mixer CHANNEL 1A.

I play fantom keys: no sound
I press rec in mpc and play fantom sounds: no sounds are recorded

This is frutsrating. I have tried all!

Turn the local control of your fantom on. Once you do this, you should at least get sound from the Fantom. Then try again to record it into the MPC. If it is still not working, I want you to go into Step Edit mode of the MPC to see if any MIDI data was even recorded. If this still does not work, let me know what operating system you have for your MPC... It is a 1000 right? If it is just the original akai Operating system or the JJ OS. If you don't know what I'm talking about it will be akai. From here I'll try to set up a list of things to do. I'm going to have you reboot both the instruments, and start from scratch. You hardly need to change anything to get one to record the other. There must be some small thing were both overlooking... (Hopefully it's just the local control switch)

I have to get this to work now. I'm in this.

1--I turn local control on. Then, I press record on the mpc ( midi 1 track: 1 pgm ff PC-----Midi 1A). The notes that I can hear when playing the fantom don´t get recorded since they don´t playback ( I know MIDI is not audio).Audio routing is ok ( I can hear mpc´s sounds and Fantom´s with local on).

2---As you suggested, I went to Step Edit Mode. Since I am not familiar with this mpc option, here´s what the display shows:

001.02.76--------------------End of sequence------------------------------
003.01.00

If I press window on ¨show all events¨, it clearly shows the midi regsitered notes, so I guess Midi notes seem to be recorded.

3---- Both machines´ audio outputs are routed to 2 channels in a mixer. I checked audio routes and they are OK ( both machines can be heard through the same set of speakers).

4—My operating system is the JJOS 4.99.

Wudsiba, I truly appreciate your help.
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put your device id on the fantom to 1

turn all your slaves off.

turn your soft thru on.. on both if possible.

something about the keyboard is not sending midi.

can you tap buttons on the mpc to make the keyboard sound?

try all midi channels 1-16

Thanks for your help,
Device option are 17-32. I can´t scroll the number further down than 17

I can´t turn SLAVES off in fantom. I can only put it MASTER, SLAVE-MIDI or SLAVE-MTC. I tried them all: same problem

I did turn SOFT THRU on in Fantom. MPC´s soft through AS TRACK: same problem


I tried all midi channels 1-16 in the fantom. When I go to EXTERNAL tab in the mixer it shows the 16 channels. Next to each channel there is a checked box. If I uncheck the box ( even with the LOCAL ON) ther´s no sound coming out from the fantom.

I can´t play MPC drum pad sounds in the fantom.

There´s something relly trivial that I´m missing. I don´t know what.
Thanks
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bad cables

The Grubet,
I thought about that option too...yes, I know it sounds crazy but...the cables were purchased last week. Anyone does have a Fantom S midi routed with a MPC 1000???????

Could very well be. Swap cables real quick to see if this does it.

"If I press window on ¨show all events¨, it clearly shows the midi regsitered notes, so I guess Midi notes seem to be recorded."

I'm a bit unclear on this, because the line right above it, from the step edit page, shows no MIDI activity. (unless you have a note or two recorded before 1.02.76. Try this again, and in this screen use the jog wheel back and fourth. I want to see if you can get any MIDI activity from the Fantom to the Mp.

If you get both cables to work, you just need to start from scratch. All of your settings will reset, but you can change your preferences as you go. Hold on... someone just responded... Oh, it was you... Check those cables. To do this, if you have no others, Just use one at a time. Record playing keys on fantom with midi out if fanton to midi in of Mpc. Then switch with the same cable, from mpc 1a out to fantom in and try and play it. If this does not work, try the other cable. Since your on, do this now, then we reboot

I have to go to work, but I want to get this up. Once you have checked the cables, and this is still not the problem, you need to reboot.

Before you reboot! On your Fantom, Get out of Multi mode. Go into single patch mode and try to sequence anything from this mode to the mpc. All just troubleshooting. If nothing, go on to reboot.

REBOOT:
On the MPC, nice to see you have JJ os, your going to turn the Mp on while holding the erase button. Hold the button down untill the Mp is completely done loading up and you see the main screen. (Or the erase screen in this case) On the Fantom, I want you to hit MENU, then scroll down to UTILITY. Hit F3 Factory Reset. Once you have rebooted both instruments, connect the MIDI cables. Keep the Fantom in single Patch mode for now and just try a simple sequence. About the only thing your going to have to adjust is on the MPC track make sure you set it on MIDI channel 1a. Keep it a drum track for now though. We just want the two machines to talk to each other.

If this does not work... I will reboot both of my machines and go through a step by step to get you up and running. Timetables however are not on my side, as I have to go to work. Try all this out, and get it going. I have faith. If not, I'll make instructions tonight. Good luck. Peace

Wudsiva, you can´t imagine how much I appreciate your help.I actually don´t know if there´s a way to praise, give you votes or publicly recognize your expertise in the forum...Anyway, gracias amigo.
I swapped cables, and there are some news...

All right,according to the set up ( quoted below), these are the tests I made:


TEST 1:
0- MPC MIDI OUT A to FANTOM IN
1-I select MIDI 1A Prg Off in the MPC. ¨So True¨patch piano in channel 1 Fantom ( PERFORMANCE MODE)

2- Press record in the mpc.
3.Play fantom keys
4-I press window in STEP EDIT. It shows

oo1.o1.oo
003.o1.oo -----------------end of seq events---------------------
I assume this means no midi activity

4.RESULT: MPC doesn´t replay what the midi notes.


TEST 2

0. MPC MIDI OUT A to FANTOM IN, MPC MIDI IN 1 to Fantom OUT
1-I select MIDI 1A Prg Off in the MPC. ¨So True¨patch piano in channel 1 Fantom ( PERFORMANCE MODE)

2- Press record in the mpc.
3.Play fantom keys
4-I press window in STEP EDIT. It shows

oo1.o2.41---------note 49 C2
003.o1.oo --------note 51 D
etc..
[i]it shows midi events, RIGHT? SO MIDI ACTIVITY IS RECORDED[/i


4.RESULT: MPC doesn´t replay the midi notes played in nthe fantom .BUT I CAN PLAY MPC pad sounds in
mpc´s drum mode by hitting fantom keys.

I double checked audio cables.They are OK. I can hear MPC pad sounds when hit in drum mode. I can hear fantom´s sounds in the speakers.
I´m almost there..problem will be in the set up ( below)....
Any suggestions?
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SET UP
Fantom MIDI tab:

Device ID:17
Performance Control Channel: 1
Pad Patch Rx/Tx Channel ( es que el fantom lleva tb pads pero no los uso) :10

Fantom TRANSMIT tab:

transmit program change: on
transmit bank select: on
transmit active sensing: on
transmit edit data: off
soft through: off

Fantom RECEIVE tab:

Remote keyboard switch: on
Receive program change: off
Receive bank select: off
Receive exclusive: on
Receive GM System On: on
Receive GM System On: on
Receive GS Reset: on

Fantom SOUND tab:

Local switch: off

Fantom SYNC TEMPO tab:

Sync Mode: Slave-Midi
Sync Output: off
Tempo Override: off
Arp/Rhytm Sync Switch: off


Fantom MTC/MMC tab:

MMC MODE: Slave
MMC Output: off
MTC Sync Output: off
Frame Rate: 25
MTC Offset Time Hour: 0
´´ ´´ ´´ Minute: 0
¨¨ ¨¨ ¨¨ ¨¨ Second: 0
MTC Time Frame: 0
MTC Error Level: 0

MPC MIDI tab:

Active track receive channel: all
Sof Thru: as track
Sequence change by program: on
Pad to Internal Sound: on

MPC SYNC tab :

Sync in: off
Sync out: A (MASTER)
Mode : Midi Time Code frame 25 ( he probado como dice Dr No con Midi Clock y nada)
Send MMC : on

you gotta turn all that stuff thats on, off.

you will be using your keys as a sound module, not as a production center once you get this up.

you have to do 3 things...

midi cables, to and from

set instrument on keys to be receiving on midi channels 1-8 (or however many parts you have)

and tell your mpc to be on a midi track, with receive channels set to all...

the channel selection on the mpc has to be corresponding to the same midi channel you are controlling on the keyboard's sound.



Thats it.

all that other shit should be turned off. Im guessing that you have a setting in your keyboard where it allows external midi to play internal sounds.... find that setting, turn it on , and you should be up.

GRUBLET,

1-As you suggested, I turned all options off except LOCAL(ON), sync mode (SLAVE-MIDI) and mmc mode (SLAVE).

midi cables to and from ( OUT A to Fan IN, Fan out to Midi In 1)


Fantom Part View---external tab---patch name piano RX ( receive channel checked box on channel 1). MPC MIDI 1---Prg Off---mIDI PC----1A.

MPC receive all--soft through as track----sequence change on---pad to internal on----sync in off---sync in ( a nmaster midi time code 25 mmc on)


channels correspond.

RESULTS: midi events are recorded ( I checked it SETP EDIT..I can see a bunch of midi notes in the mpc window). But fantom sounds don´t play back after being performed during recording.

I don´t know how to attach pictures in the forum but I could try taking pics of mpc windows, fan windows and cables so maybe this helps-


all that other **** should be turned off. Im guessing that you have a setting in your keyboard where it allows external midi to play internal sounds.... find that setting, turn it on , and you should be up.
I don´t know what option is that one.Roland´s guide´s language is too technical to me...
I did already a factory reset in Fantom ( reboot) but not in the mpc.
Thanks
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paola wrote:I don't know what option is that one. Roland's guide is too technical to me...

Wow, I thought you'd have it nipped in the bud by now. First, it's going to be a hard climb if all of this stuff is foreign to you, that's why I asked how long have you been dealing with this stuff.

It wasn't meant to bash or criticize you because of the lack of knowledge, it was meant to get a feel for what you know and put you at a point where you'd understand what you're dealing with.

I don't know what else to say, other than to bury yourself in midi principles and learn the ins and outs of your gear. Without that understanding, it's going to be nothing but confusion.