NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

The NI Maschine has kept me intrigued since I first heard about it. If it could be used standalone AND connected to a computer, I'd already own one. Further OS enhancements to go with those already delivered may still convince me though.

I own a lot of hardware - some of which was made by companies which no longer exist, such as Ensoniq. Hopefully NI will be with us for a long time, but what would happen with regard to future installation / activation for Maschine if NI cease to exist (given the license / activation model they use?) Some of my synths and samplers are 15+ years old and still work as good as new.

I'm a long term MPC user but would seriously consider the Maschine, especially if modular add-on storage and audio interface were available as options.

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The MPC working with a very good tool machine.
Trying to convince users off a MPC about a software with a controller that it is the all be all, stop with the nonsence already.

DEWYZEMAN wrote:The MPC working with a very good tool machine.
Trying to convince users off a MPC about a software with a controller that it is the all be all, stop with the nonsence already.

You're very mistaken if you think Maschine is just a "software with a controller" as if it's no different than a pad controller like MPD with Guru/BPM/Battery...etc.

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emptysea wrote:

DEWYZEMAN wrote:The MPC working with a very good tool machine.
Trying to convince users off a MPC about a software with a controller that it is the all be all, stop with the nonsence already.

You're very mistaken if you think Maschine is just a "software with a controller" as if it's no different than a pad controller like MPD with Guru/BPM/Battery...etc.

It is software with a controller.

If it could be used standalone and have midi in/out for tight midi timing for my numerous hardware synths and outboard then I might consider it. Come to think of it... if Maschine was an mpc I'd buy it.
oh... wait, I already have an mpc

jimmie wrote:

emptysea wrote:

DEWYZEMAN wrote:The MPC working with a very good tool machine.
Trying to convince users off a MPC about a software with a controller that it is the all be all, stop with the nonsence already.

You're very mistaken if you think Maschine is just a "software with a controller" as if it's no different than a pad controller like MPD with Guru/BPM/Battery...etc.

It is software with a controller.

If it could be used standalone and have midi in/out for tight midi timing for my numerous hardware synths and outboard then I might consider it. Come to think of it... if Maschine was an mpc I'd buy it.
oh... wait, I already have an mpc

MPC is software with a controller too if you want to nitpick.

What you didn't get from my point is that the experience of using Maschine is far different than what people normally associate with experience of matching a pad controller like MPD with a software-only tool. Maschine feels more like you're using standalone hardware like MPC but without the inherent limitation of standalone hardware. It feels more like an instrument that you can get a quick hands-on workflow as opposed to still having to use the mouse or stare at a computer screen which can break up the flow. These are some of many reasons why so many people are moving onto Maschine after having used the MPC for many years. That doesn't mean that some people won't always prefer the MPC or that some won't use both or neither. None of that changes the reality that Maschine is a game changer for many and it's silly getting worked up over it just because you don't want to accept that. If it's not for you, just move on.

I have a MPC5000 with 64 tracks hookup to : 4 midi outs

Logic 9 16chn :Kore 2, effects :Komplete 6 : Spectrasonics Stylus RMX Xpanded :Logic instruments
X6 4 cards - 8 chn
Micron - 8 chn
V-synth - 8chn
EMU X3 - 16chn
MC808 - 8chn
Total 64.

Two nobs to turn and select any instrument in my arsonal for playing and layering
Like I said the machine is a software with a midi controller, live with it and when there is a update with new functions blowing my mind I will add it into my work flow and make musik nuff said and that is not hating.

It's not for me because the reason I bought my mpc is for tight midi sequencing for my hardware along with a great sample-manipulating drum machine. I use all 4 midi outs and both midi ins (mpc2500) all the time. I actually could do with 1 more midi out.

and saying move on is a bit rich... this is an mpc forum. I think you should move on tbh.

jimmie wrote:It's not for me because the reason I bought my mpc is for tight midi sequencing for my hardware along with a great sample-manipulating drum machine.

MPC doesn't have "tighter" midi sequencing or "greater" sample-manipulating ability than Maschine. In fact, for sample manipulation, Maschine wins hands down imo for immediacy, hands-on control, and the sheer amount of effects and modulation options.

jimmie wrote:I use all 4 midi outs and both midi ins (mpc2500) all the time. I actually could do with 1 more midi out.

Yeah, if you have lots of hardware to sequence and require more than 16 midi channels, MPC makes more sense.

yo emptysea... did an MPC rape your mother or something??

emptysea wrote:MPC is software with a controller too if you want to nitpick.

What you didn't get from my point is that the experience of using Maschine is far different than what people normally associate with experience of matching a pad controller like MPD with a software-only tool. Maschine feels more like you're using standalone hardware like MPC but without the inherent limitation of standalone hardware. It feels more like an instrument that you can get a quick hands-on workflow as opposed to still having to use the mouse or stare at a computer screen which can break up the flow. These are some of many reasons why so many people are moving onto Maschine after having used the MPC for many years. That doesn't mean that some people won't always prefer the MPC or that some won't use both or neither. None of that changes the reality that Maschine is a game changer for many and it's silly getting worked up over it just because you don't want to accept that. If it's not for you, just move on.

actually empty, i would disagree with you here. there's an inherent latency as a result of midi usb with maschine...so, technically the mpc is "tighter" because it's 0ms.

i still ride for my maschine though, i just gigged with it this weekend and it was solid!

descry wrote:there's an inherent latency as a result of midi usb with maschine...so, technically the mpc is "tighter" because it's 0ms.

Actually descry, that is false. MPC does not have "0ms". People have to realize that MPC is still a computer albeit a very limited one. Both MPC and Maschine has negligible amount of unnoticeable latency. Of course, on the Maschine it is dependent on the CPU/soundcard of the user. Latency is basically a non-issue for most people today. Anyone bringing that up as an issue is just looking for an excuse.

emptysea wrote:

descry wrote:there's an inherent latency as a result of midi usb with maschine...so, technically the mpc is "tighter" because it's 0ms.

Actually descry, that is false. MPC does not have "0ms". People have to realize that MPC is still a computer albeit a very limited one. Both MPC and Maschine has negligible amount of unnoticeable latency. Of course, on the Maschine it is dependent on the CPU/soundcard of the user. Latency is basically a non-issue for most people today. Anyone bringing that up as an issue is just looking for an excuse.

an excuse for what exactly... I mean yeah you are more or less correct about modern computers and latency for the most part... but what is the excuse part about? for not buying a maschine?