Problem with mpc 1k...sample gets cut midway

i recorded something on track 9 and it plays completely through like the way i recorded it but then
i have three other tracks ( 2 wit kicks, 1 wit a horn sample)..

the problem is that when i have these other tracks unmuted, for some reason the sample
on track 9 gets cut off mid way

none of the pads have the mute target on or anything like that, so i can't figure out why its happening?

any one know what i can do to fix this?

delete the program you made and create a new one, make sure that you click "window" on each sample in the program and pay attention to "note on" etc. on that program. Also pay attention to your mute groups, you may have the problem in multiple programs, if you can't fix it by changing settings, just make a new program and it should be ok by default.


~Jams

delete the program for those specific tracks i'm having problems with?

or just for the one that's getting cut off? (track 9)

what? no. that's bad advice. don't delete any programs. there's no need to do that.
what you need to do is fix the setting that's causing the problem, not delete the entire program.

check your voice monitor (MODE + PAD 10). see if your maxing out your voices. unmute your tracks 1 by 1 and see if there is a particular one that is eating up all the voices. if so, check your loop settings, and especially the ADSR and END settings in the AMP screen under PROGRAM.

also check your MONO and POLY settings (both PROGRAM wide and on a sample-by-sample basis).

if you don't know what this means, read the FAQ and your manuals. this is basic stuff. you can also do a search of this forum. this is a common newbie problem we get asked a lot here.

Sooty_G:

i gotta find the manual but when i do, i'll read up on that.

but heres some questions:

under the amp screen what exactly should i be changing?

and for the mono/poly settings, is it the voice overlap youre talkin bout? should i keep that on mono, becuz rite now
everything is on poly.

i'll read on it though, good lookin out.

skript wrote:Sooty_G:

i gotta find the manual but when i do, i'll read up on that.

but heres some questions:

under the amp screen what exactly should i be changing?

and for the mono/poly settings, is it the voice overlap youre talkin bout? should i keep that on mono, becuz rite now
everything is on poly.

i'll read on it though, good lookin out.

manual: you can just download it from akais website, and definitely check the ones on JJ's site for your os & also the stan steez ones (linked at the top of this forum).

amp screen: check the END, DCY, and RLS settings first. try lowerng them and see what happens. their behavior will change based on if your sample is set to ONE SHOT or NOTE ON. check the JJ manual about that.

MONO: only one sample can play at a time
POLY: multiple samples can play at once and overlap each other (this is what you want).

you say everything in your programs is set to POLY (top right of the PROGRAM screen also?: make sure that is set to POLY too).

if that is true, only 2 things could be cutting off your samples:
1. you are over your voice count (play your sequence and look at the voice monitor screen: what does it say?)
2. you've got a MUTE GROUP set accidentally in your PROGRAM. check that out.
3. unlikely but you might have accidentally recorded a TRACK MUTE event. (TRACK MUTE screen: make sure 'Use events:' is OFF).

yea i think it's the voice count, the meter is all the way up to 32, so im guessin thats most likely it.

its not the mute groups or the track mute..i already checked that.

Here's some other advice since you're running out of polyphony...

1) Go to Trim Mode, make sure your samples don't have tons of silence. If you have samples with too much silence they are going to use up your polyphony even though they aren't playing any sound.

2) Go to Trim Mode, convert any stereo sounds to mono that don't need to be in stereo. Many drums are recorded in stereo but have just about no stereo field... so you can safely convert these to mono... and if you want to place them in the stereo field you can then pan them yourself. Each stereo sample eats up 2 notes of polyphony, converting to mono will only use one note of polyphony.

3) Go to Program Mode, convert samples from Oneshot to Note On as appropriate. A Oneshot sample will play the entire sample. Note On will only play the sample for as long as you hold the pad. Some sounds (especially instruments) are better of being set to Note On instead of Oneshot as you can play the instrument a bit better. Take some caution doing this though, as it may require you to re-record your take for the sample and has a low potential of gaining any polyphony back.

4) Go to Program Mode, convert the program from Poly to Mono. Poly mode means that it will play as many notes at a time as you press. Mono mode means it will stop playing the previous sample when you start playing the next sample. When you are chopping from records for example, you don't always want the recorded riff to play on top of each other and instead you want it to cut off the previous playing sample in the program.

5) Go to Program Mode, set mute groups. This can be time consuming, but if you want to simulate a real drum kit (and sometimes save polyphony) you may want to setup mute groups. For example, if you think of a real drum kit, you may only have one hi hat which is in either the open or closed state. You'll often see patches created that the open hi hat and the closed hi hat are in a mute group, so that if one plays it will cut off the other one to simulate that there is only one hi hat in the kit. Also, by having the muting, when you play anything in the mute group you will only have one sample playing at a time instead of two which will save you on polyphony.

EDIT: 6) You can claim back some polyphony in JJOS by turning off record monitoring. By having the audio thru turned on you are using up 1-2 notes of polyphony ALL OF THE TIME. Awesome if you can spare it, but annoying if you need that extra 1-2 notes.

EDIT 2: 7) Don't be afraid to mute everything but what you want to 'track out'... for example mute everything but your drum track, and then record the drum track as a loop/audio track. You can then mute the drum track and play the loop/audio track to get some polyphony back. If you ever need to go back to the drum track you should keep it around so you can unmute/tweak it as necessary. This can potentially save you a lot of polyphony at the expense of memory.

Hopefully something here will help you out. Good Luck and keep on bangin!

damn...really appreciate that last post, i most definitely use mute groups, and i had heard about converting
some samples to mono rather than stereo, just never thought about applying it to the mpc...

good lookin out...and respect.