Anybody moved from sample based beats to start from scratch?

Think of it like taking a bunch of those 1,000 piece puzzles and dumping all of them in one box going thru and finding pieces that fit with other pieces trimming/adjusting some to fit that may not already in the end the final products will be different depending on who chose the pieces and put them toegether. If you instead just put the original intended pieces that already fit back toegether, you will end up with a cool finished puzzle but with less of yourself in it even if you were the one that pieced the pieces toegether



whether sampling or composing how "creative" you get with it is totally up to you

dabmeister wrote:

jaem wrote:its hillarious how ppl somehow equate using presets with being more creative

Presets like what jaem? The creative part comes from taking nothing and making something out it without the aid of ready made material.

Preset sounds, preset beats, loops?

keyboard patches einstein.....

^^^ Thanks for clearing that up sir, You're a gentlman and a scholar.

I don't know about y'all, but I like to compose intricate components in some of my scores. It's like I'm putting myself to a challenge so to speak. Been at this for a while so habits can be hard to break.

Technically, IMO it makes you better at being complexed. But in most cases, keeping it simple can be better than complicating things.

Cheapstak wrote:No advanced keyboarding will ever replace samples.

Aren't the "samples" you speak of sometimes using someones "advanced keyboarding"?

krush777 wrote:

Cheapstak wrote:No advanced keyboarding will ever replace samples.

Aren't the "samples" you speak of sometimes using someones "advanced keyboarding"?

I was gonna say the same thing. Sampling takes the expertise of people who spent years perfecting their craft (whether its writing the song that is being sampled, or the trained (or natural) singing voice that's singing the lyrics, playing the instrument that is being sampled, or mixing and mastering the record that is being sampled) and incorporating it into your new work. I'm not judging anyone who does it, I sample too. But that's the reality of it.

Now if you have sampling down to an artform, then yes you are adding your own craft to it. But if you're just loading up whole bars into autoslicers (or worse yet, looping whole bars), then shame on you.

On the flip side, what's missing in the bedroom studio era is artistic collaboration. Putting five people in a room to create music is just soo much better. And that's the way it was done back in the day, because you had no other choice. So in that sense, sampling other artists is a way of collaborating with them (granted, without their knowledge and/or consent) and taking their musical ideas in a new direction.

fasttrackpimp wrote:I've always made both. I like both methods, sampling and original, but each method by itself is a kind of boring to me anymore. Lately I've been using a small part of a sample as the "base" part of my beat and then playing stuff over it.

That is the magic of it. Sampling drum sounds is great because of the expensive processing that is used on them. I don't do too much with sampled loops and chops. but they do have their uses also. I am with dab' on the thrill of writing parts while composing.

i started with samples (my first equipement was a 4 ttrack and like 5 different 50$ samplers
no sequencer a metronome which i admit i could never follow anyway and i would play my shit out and use the 4track to sequence had a lot of fun made a lot of shitty beats learned a lot of things) then moved to soft ware and such not using samples from records now im back to records.Perrsonally dont think i could say i kike one better than the other, in this day and age u can use both without spending an arm and a leg so why not.
Samples from record will alway b able to benefit from added synths or vsts or whatever over the top sometimes to hide sounds sometimes to accentuate them.
I do think though if u started sampling records u will always miss the sound, not to mention lets face it i personally am not even half the musician that the guys im sampling r, as somebody said these guys not only had been playing for a long time but its pro recorded music.
Somebody said somethin about buyin records and not findin samples on em, well a) i believe u gotta give to recieve the digging gods always award those who buy records(i never listen to the records i buy i ruins the surprise)
b)i also believe there is no such thing as a record without something usable,maybe something i didnt hear the 1st time orthe 2nd etc... but with modern sampling tech and creativity hey skys the limit

Hope i didnt come across preachy in anyway, not my intention i just love talkin music