Sampling, Does It Rob You Of Learning The Art Of Recording?

dabmeister wrote:BTW, anybody feel the connection between live playing and recording? I mean, I understand the old way of micing stuff but what about the katz that get recorded from lets say the amp/pre-amp feeds & direct box connections?

And with the kat that likes to use electronic drums over acoustic? I think there's other angles that can be looked at and dealt with if you have to go with tracking live musicians.

you know what I tink is neat about that though? you can record in an apartment with headphones and not make a peep in the apartment! haha!

One thing I used to love about reason when I first saw it was flipping the rack around and how it was a virtual representation of hardware with the cables and that! for the first couple of weeks when I first got reason (I think it was version 2.5 or 3 or something) I didn't make a single track because I was too busy seeing what would happen if I randomly wired this and that all backwards and stuff. Everything seemed to be pretty accurate except for things like magnetic fields and what not from bunched wires! which would have been totally awesome IMO!

I think that recording through DI boxes can be kind of limited though for some instruments... maybe not things like bass, but for example electric guitar... half the sound and character is coming from the amp you use.

Menco wrote:but people who only rely on software and vst's don't have to deal with that either.

.... and add a 100$ m-audio soundcard to that and you have stuff that has no spacial recognition, eq or tone.



who said you can't do both at the same time... sample some guitars for example. reamp them to a guitar cab, mic it and record it back in. reamp some keyboards while you're at it. play back the strings on speakers and mic that shit. stack it up!


... you need a good recording space though, decent mics and preamps...

Eemo1 wrote:

Menco wrote:but people who only rely on software and vst's don't have to deal with that either.

.... and add a 100$ m-audio soundcard to that and you have stuff that has no spacial recognition, eq or tone.



who said you can't do both at the same time... sample some guitars for example. reamp them to a guitar cab, mic it and record it back in. reamp some keyboards while you're at it. play back the strings on speakers and mic that shit. stack it up!


... you need a good recording space though, decent mics and preamps...

yeah that is what I had in mind when I wrote an earlier post... I know some guys who play live with junos and other keyboards and they use bass guitar amps etc with guitar gear to get his sound.

mr_debauch wrote:Everything seemed to be pretty accurate except for things like magnetic fields and what not from bunched wires! which would have been totally awesome IMO!

Then you'd need twist ties and cable cutters to get the right length cables, route them around and run them in place. I dunno man... how many people would be up for that for real?

They probably could use another paradigm for routing wires though... some racks I've seen looking pretty much like a screen full of cables.

mr_debauch wrote:yeah that is what I had in mind when I wrote an earlier post... I know some guys who play live with junos and other keyboards and they use bass guitar amps etc with guitar gear to get his sound.

Heh... love seeing guys setup like that... sometimes you'll just hear something like that and be thinking 'damn what'd they do to get that sound?!' In reality they often just use whatever they have laying around, sounded interesting and got the job done. So many people I talk to think that you only put guitars through guitar amps because it'll make the instrument sound like a guitar... sure if you're using the guitar presets... but get those sleeves up and tweak around. Even a basic amp has enough room to play around. Get those mics out people!

^^^ Yeah and to add to that, I remember my early live playing days and one of the bands I played with supplied me with a Hohner D6 clavinet.

And most katz back then liked to use Fender amps which basically was the most widely used amps back in the late 70's and beyond.

But I'd throw a wah wah pedal on the D6 and get some really crazy, funky sounds.

Arp, Mini Moog-Moog Prodigy, Sequential Curcuits (Prophet 5), Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer Electric, Hammond w/ leslie, and a few others were the mainstay of most bands back then.

Those were some good 'ole days.

But those same instruments with the same setups were also found in the studios (going to 2" Studer multitrack or whatever analog tape machine along with mic'd setups).