Amazing diggers that make crap beats

Does anyone else notice this? You meet diggers who are mad knowledgeable and say they make beats as well. Proper pretentious guys who refuse to talk about shit that people know of. It has to be rare jazz funk, fusion or prog from somewhere like **** Thailand or Lithuania. They ask you to check them out, and they say their music is the shit and you find out that they're absolutely wank at making music, or they're just on some looping shit.

It seems like one or the other round here Is it a case of people focusing their energy into digging too much when at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if the music is good?

Cant say I ever have. Which is interesting because I usually say the sample makes the song. I'd be interested in hearing someone with an awesome sample make a bad song. That seems really hard.

No... but I've ran into their techy equivalent that knows everything about every piece of vintage gear and all types of techniques but make straight garbage.

Esquilo wrote:Cant say I ever have. Which is interesting because I usually say the sample makes the song. I'd be interested in hearing someone with an awesome sample make a bad song. That seems really hard.

Not really. I'd say it's what you do with it. It's what seperates the DJ Premiers from the trainspotters.

Knowledge of music is one thing. . knowledge of equipment, skill, and talent (in relation to production/making beats) are totally different stories

I wish I would meet another digger here for once lol.

Any diggers on the west coast of Ireland wonna make a special club? Diggers united or something

Em.p.cee.j wrote:No... but I've ran into their techy equivalent that knows everything about every piece of vintage gear and all types of techniques but make straight garbage.

Word, the same goes for all these "theoretical" cats when I comes to mixing. I always run across dudes who wanna argue their text book bullsh*t...Im not surprised when I find out they could mix a phuckin batch of iced tea.

Jim Beats wrote:I wish I would meet another digger here for once lol.

Any diggers on the west coast of Ireland wonna make a special club? Diggers united or something

alaska-ireland connection

poundaproblem wrote:

Em.p.cee.j wrote:No... but I've ran into their techy equivalent that knows everything about every piece of vintage gear and all types of techniques but make straight garbage.

Word, the same goes for all these "theoretical" cats when I comes to mixing. I always run across dudes who wanna argue their text book bullsh*t...Im not surprised when I find out they could mix a phuckin batch of iced tea.

co-mohfuggin sign .... plugin this, converter that..... just make a decent level mix first... I worked at this school teaching audio engineering and related topics and the place was filled with these types... it's not about that, in the end, it's about having a feel for music, and doing things to make the music sound better... Of course technical knowledge is handy, and sometimes necessary but it should never overshadow basic things like LISTENING ....

I know a couple guys that make awful music who think they are the next Pete Rock or Jay Dee. I can't stand that ish.

i can make an analogue synth, but i know that doesn't make me a good musician. my beats suck.

beach_break wrote:i can make an analogue synth, but i know that doesn't make me a good musician. my beats suck.

Dope! Wish I could MAKE an analogue synth!

i know a handful of people like this. mad dedicated to diggin, but aint comin correct on the beats

Some people just dig to say they got more records than you but if you sift through their sh!t, you'll find nothing but commons and maybe even 4 copies of the same one. Those are posers.

But then you got hardcore collectors, that walk with that "Gotta have 'em all" attitude and thats pretty much their mind-set: To get all the records, and they will pay whatever. And thats probably the case with those types, they focus so much on collecting that when its time to make a beat they don't have that concentration.

You know, obtaining the rarest record doesn't make you a hot beatmaker. I got a few rarities that I forked over three figures for and found them to be some wack sh!t. Sometimes there's a good reason why certain records get discontinued.

Diggers that make amazing beats

J Dilla
Primo
Pete Rock
Large Pro
Beatminerz
Q Tip
Easy Moe Bee
Ayatollah
Marco Polo
9th Wonder
Krysis
Nottz
Alchemist
Khalil
Hi Tek
Madlib
Oddisee
Kev Brown
Rich Harrison
Diamond D
Showbiz
Buckwild
Gensu Dean
Roc Marciano
Rza
Just Blaze
Black Milk
Young RJ
Jake One

If you're a sample based producer, then records are where most of your sounds are coming from. You might or might not consider yourself an amazing digger, but at some point ,you have to make sure you have the right samples... point blank. Sometimes that means buying the rare sh*t , sometimes it means sampling from the common records. A lot of us already have most of the common joints, so you just start buying the joints that you don't have or hardly see ( rare joints) Like you said the focus should be on making good music and when you're sample based, that means finding good records to sample from whether they're rare OR common. If a dude is wack, than he's wack with the most common or rare record collection but being a skilled digger does not make you wack.