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By cogswell Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:11 am
I recently bought a new Mac, Logic Studio and an extra internal SATA drive (this one) to serve as my dedicated audio drive. I intend on getting a few more drives for "samples/libraries" and Time Machine. I ran into an issue with the drive though and I cannot figure out for the life of me how to solve it and would definitely like to avoid doing the same shit twice. For those of you who are using Logic Studio, notably Logic Pro 9, which drives are you successfully using with it? I'm mainly interested in drives that are quiet, SATA, at least 1TB and 7200...though they can be Firewire 400/800 external, I'm really looking to get more internal ones first. I'm only interested in the advice of people who are actually using their drives with Logic Studio successfully, not really recommendations on which drives PC World/Macworld or some guy with a citrus tan said are best buys. Just saying. :D

For those interested in helping with the problem I have, here's the issue. Every time I'm streaming audio from the dedicated audio drive (above) I get "Disk Too Slow or CPU Overload" warnings about 20mins in. After that first warning I'm often able to play back the project for about another 30mins to an 1hr before the next one and this cycle continues ad infinitum until I get pissed off and use something else. I'm sure the CPU is not the issue. The errors are intermittent and only slightly predictable but I have noticed they seem to occur about 20-30mins after starting playback. Toggling the buffer size, sample rates, et cetera has no impact on the frequency of the errors. The errors happen even when using only Logic's own processors and effects. I also use Ableton Live 8 and Pro Tools 8, both of which seem to function fine with the same setup. I was not able to test Logic 8 as I do not own Logic 8. I've tried Mac OSX 10.5.8 and now I'm running 10.6.4 and the problem persists. This is with Logic 9.1.1. The drive is formatted to Mac OS Extended (HFS+ with no Journaling Enabled). Turn Drive Off When Not in Use is disabled. I'm not using Logic with Digidesign/Avid hardware, I'm using another interface and it's CoreAudio drivers. I did most everything that I'd usually do to troubleshoot it but nothing worked. I suspect that the issue is to do with Logic being incompatible with the drive somehow because it works fine with the system hard drive that came pre-installed in the Mac and even the other software in Logic Studio work fine with it. Shit's gay (no offense intended to homosexual people). ???
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By konc3pt Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:27 pm
what's the specs of the mac you are running?

maybe you connected to sata 1.5 socket and not 3.0 ?

maybe you got a bad drive with dead sectors, run disk utility software to make sure it's all dandy.
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By cogswell Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:25 am
konc3pt wrote:what's the specs of the mac you are running?

maybe you connected to sata 1.5 socket and not 3.0 ?

maybe you got a bad drive with dead sectors, run disk utility software to make sure it's all dandy.


It's a 2.93GHz 8-Core Mac Pro with 6GB of pre-installed RAM. The system drive is a 640GB WD drive and the second drive is a 1TB Samsung drive (as mentioned above). The latter is the problematic drive. I'm not sure about the connection. Can I check that in "About this Mac"? I don't see any sockets in the chassis as the drives just slide and snap in....no cables or sockets.

clint246clint wrote:Keep it simple I always say.

I can see no reason why your Apple software will not work with standard Apple components.

You know it makes sense...


I'm not sure what you mean. The hard drive that came as default with this Mac is just a Western Digital one which I could buy elsewhere, I assume -- it has no issues with Logic. Could you clarify? The problematic drive is a Samsung bought from Apple's own online store. I have a 3yr warranty on it but I waited too long to return it for a refund at Apple's Store. Neither drive has any problems with Pro Tools, Ableton Live, the rest of the Logic Studio bundle (Soundtrack Pro 3, etc) nor even Final Cut Express. Sorry if I don't understand what you mean.


mr_debauch wrote:
cogswell wrote: I get "Disk Too Slow or CPU Overload"



... so get a raptor 10,000 rpm and a better cpu...


O.o


Are you using this particular drive with Logic Pro 9? After getting a drive that was spec'ed correctly but has issues with Logic I'm only interested in proven drives, not just "good drives". If you are using it with Logic Studio I'll take a look. Despite the warning, I do not think that my CPU is even coming close to being taxed as this happens even with 2 stereo tracks and no plug-ins. In addition, on the same computer I'm able to run large projects in other DAWs with relatively many tracks and plug-ins, using the same drives and CPU with barely noticeable load.

Thanks for the advice. 8)
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By mr_debauch Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:40 am
cogswell wrote:
Are you using this particular drive with Logic Pro 9? After getting a drive that was spec'ed correctly but has issues with Logic I'm only interested in proven drives, not just "good drives". If you are using it with Logic Studio I'll take a look. Despite the warning, I do not think that my CPU is even coming close to being taxed as this happens even with 2 stereo tracks and no plug-ins. In addition, on the same computer I'm able to run large projects in other DAWs with relatively many tracks and plug-ins, using the same drives and CPU with barely noticeable load.

Thanks for the advice. 8)



Well I think we determined the problem does not lie with the drives or the CPU and it appears to be an issue with the software.

1) you got proper hard drives
2) you got a proper CPU with more then enough horse power
3) plenty of ram
4) everything works fine with other software running with more resource intensive pluggins and tracks etc...


I suggest inquiring with the logic support people to see if it is a known issue... or maybe they have a knowledge base on the website.
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By cogswell Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:20 am
Apple hasn't been much help so far. Despite jumping through various hoops it was to no avail. According to Apple (after exhausting all of the checklist in their troubleshooting pamphlet, in Microsoft fashion :lol: ) it's likely the drive, despite it working fine even under Avid's anal Pro Tools specifications and Apple having no known reports of conflicts with the brand nor drive. I'm skeptical, hence me asking about drives that others are using. I figure if I get another drive, which has proven to work for others, I can at least attempt to isolate the problem. According to Gearslutz and various information I've found via searches, this is apparently a prevalent issue with both Logic 8 and 9. However, it does not seem to affect all users and those whom it does affect seem to have very different components. Though helpful information, this didn't at all help solve my issue. All of the posts I found on the subject seemed to deal with many other variables and systems that were often way different than mine. I still tried all of the "solutions" that were mentioned in those posts but nothing worked. I figure it would just be easier to get a new hard drive and start there, making sure at least that it is absolutely not the drive. Right now one drive works with Logic, the other doesn't. If a proven drive does work, out with the drive! If I still can't get it solved after that I'm going to slap the hair mousse and vivid ass shirt off an Apple employee. :lol:
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By Pastor-of-Muppets Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:42 am
try running some disk benchmarks to compare the performance of the new disk with the old, see if it performs ok outside of logic. I don't know shit about macs, but http://www.xbench.com/ looks like a good start

Edit: I know you said it works with other software except Logic, but it could still be performing worse than the other disk, just not bad enough to cause problems with ableton etc. ... so run some benchmarks to check
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By cogswell Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:36 am
Are you trying to send me subliminal messages clint246clint? :lol:

You're right though, that's probably more applicable. To be honest though, here I was really interested in the drives you all were using. Thing just sort of got derailed by me into the discussion on issues. To be fair though, that's one of the forums where I found a lot of "solutions", of which didn't work for me. Posting my issue over there probably wouldn't serve much use as there are lots of others there just like it. Now that you mention it though, I should ask about the hard drives there too. Thanks.
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By Pastor-of-Muppets Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:02 am
cogswell wrote:To be honest though, here I was really interested in the drives you all were using.


as you said, other people have this problem with Logic and don't all use the same drive, so it's not likely to be something you can fix by choosing the same drive as someone else. hard disks are commodities, there's not that much difference between them, especially with the big brands like Samsung

you might have a faulty unit, but IMHO asking "what model do you use?" is a waste of time
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By cogswell Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:16 am
True. Unless someone says that they are using the exact same drive as I am. In turn other people may share their own previous experiences with incompatibilities with this drive or others. All could potentially help me isolate the problem and/or communicate better with the folks at Apple who are also trying to help me solve the issue. There's still a lot to be gained from such a question. I'm definitely not going to go out and buy everything people use or recommend on the internet but I could gather the gist of the subject by their posts. :)

I'm going to put this to bed though. I just set up a slot to take the computer to the Apple Store. Supposedly they're going to run their tests. Hopefully at least if there is an issue with the drive they will find out and at best replace it under warranty. At least I have dongles... :roll: