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By Jaytim3 Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:08 pm
creal wrote:
Jaytim3 wrote:If u dont have any Beat making knowledge i suggest u go buy or even download Fruity Loops for starters, use samples there if thats what u want. The whole idea of it is that u can get a better view and more knowledge on how to make music. IMO your gonna be confused if u go str8 to MPC. Fruity Loops is way easier to make beats, U can even make as good beats on FL like in the MPC. MPC is just a diffrent workflow, and alittle more difficult in your position.



Gotta disagree, don't waste your time learning something trying to learn something else. I've worked software based for forever until my mpc1000 purchase recently, and I'm telling you it's not necessary. Buy one in really good condition new, read, practice, and practice and read.


LOL your telling its not necessary? what if u didnt use software and went str8t to MPC?
Would u be as good as u are now?



FrankieMonroe wrote:^^^^+1 fl will teach you nothing about using a mp, just dig into it


Did i say that he will learn how to use MPC on the FL? no.. i said if he started using FL to start with he will get the whole idea of how to make beats.

creal wrote:
mr_debauch wrote:
FrankieMonroe wrote:^^^^+1 fl will teach you nothing about using a mp, just dig into it



well not really specifically about using an mpc..... but making music gives you more experience at making music.

If you been making songs on fl studio for 10 years and tomorrow you got an mpc, you would be further along then the guy who never made music ever and that would be his first time tomorrow.




but you know what... when you get used to seeing music production lingo and you know by seeing terminology and features what they do.... you get the ball rolling faster. For example ADSR, you know what that means and what each of those letters means and does then that type of experience does teach you stuff about using new gear like an MPC... cause every music gear has ADSR pretty much. that was just an example of one thing but you know what i mean.


use what you have in reach.... take advantage of each tool. You use an mpc, you may come up with a completely random but dope sounding drum pattern on accident simply cause you were tapping pads. You use a mouse and piano roll and you may come up with a random but hot synth note combination too just cause you randomly clicked in a bunch of midi notes.... mix both those together and you might have something only possible cause you just used the best of both worlds.



You'd be better off just reading stuff specifically geared towards and about the mpc. All software sequencers use similar terminology but also alot of different terms as well. What's the point of using something in hopes that it's workflow and terms apply to the piece of gear you want to end up using?


As far as i have read this thread the guy who made this does not have any music knowledge, he has only been listening to 90's hip hop. Even if he read the manual on the MPC do u think he would understand terms like Sequence, bars, BPM?
If you were in hes position would u understand most of what is in the manual without any help?

Mr. Debauch.. Help me out on this one.. looks like your the only one who understands:P

Anyways Noob21 do what u think is best for u. If u buy a MPC there are more things that u need to buy to satisfy you needs, like a pair of monitors that might be alittle expensive, might need a pair of headphones, zip drive or a cf card depends on the MPC, maybe u also need a midikeyboard if u want to play keys(not necessary). As u can see there is more things that u need. As u said u want recommendations for your first steps and u want to invest money right? so if i were u i would try FL and save up some money for the equipments. Then go buy an MPC when u feel that u have learned enough about how to make beats.

Just to let u know having a MPC like the famous beatmakers doesnt make u a good beatmaker like some ppl think. im telling u creativity and knowledge is what makes a good beatmaker, not what gear u have.
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By mr_debauch Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:47 pm
what ever man, creal does get the post what can I say?

if he doesn't think making music gives you more experience at making music..... then it dont matter what I say.
By CoinUp! Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:03 pm
Just dig streight into the MPC. Fock Fruity Loops! Don't teach him bad habits. At this time your not spoiled by the easyness of DAW. Take advantage of that. Learn the MPC and then integrate the software part of making music.
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By Jaytim3 Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:19 pm
mr_debauch wrote:what ever man, creal does get the post what can I say?

if he doesn't think making music gives you more experience at making music..... then it dont matter what I say.


Haha give up:P

CoinUp! wrote:Just dig streight into the MPC. Fock Fruity Loops! Don't teach him bad habits. At this time your not spoiled by the easyness of DAW. Take advantage of that. Learn the MPC and then integrate the software part of making music.


kids these days..
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By mr_debauch Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:27 pm
CoinUp! wrote:Just dig streight into the MPC. Fock Fruity Loops! Don't teach him bad habits. At this time your not spoiled by the easyness of DAW. Take advantage of that. Learn the MPC and then integrate the software part of making music.



honestly the real bad habit is telling the dude to wait on stuff rather then telling him to use what he has in the mean time.

If you know you gonna eat steak in 2 days... but all you got is ramen noodles until then... you aint gonna spend the next day not eating at all just cause you know about the steak.


spoiled by the easyness of a DAW? if dude gets an mpc and doesn't want to put in work simply because he tried a DAW then dude aint dedicated anyways.
By creal Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:45 am
mr_debauch wrote:what ever man, creal does get the post what can I say?

if he doesn't think making music gives you more experience at making music..... then it dont matter what I say.



Na I understand your post, and no matter what you use you gain experience and it transfers over to some degree. I just think if he has enough cash, the more direct approach is the better approach. I was a Fl user, a loooong time Ableton user, and alot of that transferred over, but it wouldn't have been much of a struggle with the mpc manual, 1000book, and you tube- yes I said youtube, to get my head around the mp.

Hell he'd gain more music experience just helping bands set up, working live shows, or being a dj's ****.
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By mr_debauch Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:38 am
creal wrote:
mr_debauch wrote:what ever man, creal does get the post what can I say?

if he doesn't think making music gives you more experience at making music..... then it dont matter what I say.



Na I understand your post, and no matter what you use you gain experience and it transfers over to some degree. I just think if he has enough cash, the more direct approach is the better approach. I was a Fl user, a loooong time Ableton user, and alot of that transferred over, but it wouldn't have been much of a struggle with the mpc manual, 1000book, and you tube- yes I said youtube, to get my head around the mp.

Hell he'd gain more music experience just helping bands set up, working live shows, or being a dj's ****.



of course, youtube is a great place to learn.... it's free top it off.

Helping bands set up is great too.... helping an experienced tech do mic placements and what not is all great stuff to see first hand.


I think the key thing to do is know what the MPC model you choose can do. That way you know where you stand. It's like having a hammer... it helps knowing you can turn it around and also rip nails out with it.
By CoinUp! Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:33 pm
mr_debauch wrote:
CoinUp! wrote:Just dig streight into the MPC. Fock Fruity Loops! Don't teach him bad habits. At this time your not spoiled by the easyness of DAW. Take advantage of that. Learn the MPC and then integrate the software part of making music.



honestly the real bad habit is telling the dude to wait on stuff rather then telling him to use what he has in the mean time.

If you know you gonna eat steak in 2 days... but all you got is ramen noodles until then... you aint gonna spend the next day not eating at all just cause you know about the steak.
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But he doesn't have to wait. He has a choice between making a steak dinner himself or get his mom to do it.
By ghosty Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:43 pm
Ok. First you two agree to disagree and move on. Second.. to the op. Get the mpc. Watch you tube vids,stay active on forums by one of the mpc beat making bibles. Third. Read the manual then do as it teaches as you read. Then read the beat bible for mpc' s see the adds at the top of the forum. Click it. Next subject..... yoy will need to learn basic software in order to record your music to computer..!! Some studios will "track" for you but the first song will cost you the money you could spend on a good daw..like logic pro, cubase, or pro tools. FL can also be used to track with the xxl version. You will then need and interface. Good starter is mbox or fast track pro. Both come with basic daw software that can "track" record your music from the mpc. At that point you can upgrade the software to fullversion cheaper. You can get by for now with studio monitor headphones. Stick with sonys there flat sounding and dont overexagerate the bass for. More accurite mix. Dont get beats by dre. When you get to a studio you will wonder where all the bass and kixks went. Good luck, dont be scared to take risks. Be honest with yourself. Only you know if your willing to pay your dues in the music biz.
By CoinUp! Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:54 pm
ghosty wrote:Ok. First you two agree to disagree and move on. Second.. to the op. Get the mpc. Watch you tube vids,stay active on forums by one of the mpc beat making bibles. Third. Read the manual then do as it teaches as you read. Then read the beat bible for mpc' s see the adds at the top of the forum. Click it. Next subject..... yoy will need to learn basic software in order to record your music to computer..!! Some studios will "track" for you but the first song will cost you the money you could spend on a good daw..like logic pro, cubase, or pro tools. FL can also be used to track with the xxl version. You will then need and interface. Good starter is mbox or fast track pro. Both come with basic daw software that can "track" record your music from the mpc. At that point you can upgrade the software to fullversion cheaper. You can get by for now with studio monitor headphones. Stick with sonys there flat sounding and dont overexagerate the bass for. More accurite mix. Dont get beats by dre. When you get to a studio you will wonder where all the bass and kixks went. Good luck, dont be scared to take risks. Be honest with yourself. Only you know if your willing to pay your dues in the music biz.



This isn't helpfull at all! Keep it simple dude. i have no clue what your point is.