saving module sounds....HELP!!!!

i heard that you can save patches or sound sets from a sound module on your mpc. someone told me that instead of saving it in your sound module, there are corresponding numbers in sound module manuals that allow you to save it in the mpc. the result should be something like this: when you load a program and sequence, the mpc either brings up the names or "identification" numbers of the sounds and/or through midi...actually brings up the sounds on the module. is this true? hope i explained that clearly...

anyone know what i'm talking about? i know that using midi is just information and not actual sounds, but can this be done?

I read the following from mpc2000xl.com. Can anyone shed light on this?

Bank changes for midi modules

Bank change messages are actually reserved controller messages like volume and pan but are assigned to change banks on instruments that have more that 128 memory locations. Say if a synth has 256 memory locations it has one bank of 128 and another with 128 for the total of 256.

Bank change messages typically consist of two control changes, CC#0 and CC#32, and are usually transmitted in pairs. First you send CC#0, value, CC#32, value, then Program change #. Some instruments may not use both and only use one of them. CC#0 is the MSB(most significant byte) and CC#32 is the LSB(least significant byte), in case you see this referenced elsewhere. The actual calculation for the bank # is (128 times MSB value) + LSB value, but this may vary from synth to synth.

The easiest way to deal with bank changes is to not use them. One is to place all the patches you use in the same bank on the instrument. So you start in one bank and just change programs within that same bank. Another method is some instruments employ "program maps". These can be very helpful too, especially if you can't put all programs in the same bank. It's just a database that stores the bank and program for each program change the module receives. Example: Setup a program maps that says program 1 = bank 1/patch 4, program 2=bank3/patch34, prgram 3=bank1/patch67. In this case if you send program change 1 to the instrument it switches to bank1/patch67. If you send program change 2, the instrument switches to bank3/patch34 and etc. This avoids the need to send bank changes altogether.

Now, if you have to use bank changes, you will have to enter it in the step entry screen. Much easier is to connect the module to the MPC input and record the bank and program change directly into a step. That way you do not have to figure it out and it would look something like this: Bank change MSB: 0 Bank change LSB: 1 Program change: 56 (going from memory) If you do this, don't bother entering a PROGRAM on the MAIN screen for the track, since the program change is part of the bank change.

Yes it can be done using Bank [Program] Change Messages (LSB + MSB) which are inserted into the MPC sequencer.

The Akai manual does cover program changes, you just need to understand the process and give it a try.

Your sound module manuals should tell you how to find and send program change messages to your sequencer.

What gear do you have??

yo macthedoulos, good luck figuring it out, to be honest, this was one of the more frustrating processes for me. I ended up saying ph*ck it and just sampling the proteus thru spdif into the 1k.